Black Frames Black Clips

Paul Fierlinger wrote on 3/15/2015, 10:03 AM
I used to get a lot of black clips in V12 and none when V13 came out. Then I would get a black clip once in a blue moon in 13 and yet further on in time more than just one occasional black clip, so I went back to V12, where I discovered no black clips appeared. Until they started up and I switched to V13. Now black frames, not just clips, are showing up with annoying frequency. It's as if Vegas caught a progressive disease; it's really quirky behavior and I'm stepping over into the long line of people who are tired of this.

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Tech Diver wrote on 3/15/2015, 10:16 AM
Paul, during this gradual degenerative process did you update your graphics driver or install some other related software?

Peter
Paul Fierlinger wrote on 3/15/2015, 8:40 PM
Yes, I replaced my inadequate aging nVidea 470 (or 4 something else -- can't remember anymore) with an AMD FirePro V7900 with which I got both versions of Vegas running pretty reliably for a long time; perhaps a year or more and I work long hours every day of the year. Otherwise that computer I use only for my animation work and editing -- nothing else, not even email. My animation software is TVP 11 pro right now but it was 10 pro when I installed the AMD card. I work only with AVI formats either uncompressed or Motion-JPEG as I have been doing for years. I very rarely go online with that computer outside of the TVPaint carefully protected Beta site to download an update (or Sony for the same reason). I avoid using QT and don't even have it installed. I use SmartSync software to make backups of all my saves through a LAN network to another computer. That's about my entire daily routine year in and year out. My projects are anywhere from 2 hrs to 10 or 30 minutes long; I export my dailies as Sony AVC/MVC mp4, and for final delivery export PNG sequences. I have an SSD to process my temp files. My sound card is an internal Microsoft something -- sound quality is not a high priority for me. For sound I use *wav form files, nothing else.
Paul Fierlinger wrote on 3/20/2015, 12:08 PM
I had been rendering my AVIs as Motion-JPEGs and thought this might have something to do with black events, so I switched to pure YUV uncompressed to find if that could make a difference. There sure was;the next time my events turned black it wasn't just a few that turned black but every single one on the timeline. Can something be deduced out of this to help find a cause of the black frames/events?
wwaag wrote on 3/20/2015, 12:23 PM
Just a WAG, but, if you can, try switching your files to a different hard drive. Changing to uncompressed only increases the amount of read activity. Even with simple DV clips, I get black events on occasion. Before any rendering, I always save the project, close it, and then re-open. Might be worth a try.

wwaag

AKA the HappyOtter at https://tools4vegas.com/. System 1: Intel i7-8700k with HD 630 graphics plus an Nvidia RTX4070 graphics card. System 2: Intel i7-3770k with HD 4000 graphics plus an AMD RX550 graphics card. System 3: Laptop. Dell Inspiron Plus 16. Intel i7-11800H, Intel Graphics. Current cameras include Panasonic FZ2500, GoPro Hero11 and Hero8 Black plus a myriad of smartPhone, pocket cameras, video cameras and film cameras going back to the original Nikon S.

Paul Fierlinger wrote on 3/20/2015, 12:49 PM
Thanks for the tip. I'll try rendering my AVIs to my SSD which I've dedicated so far only to temp files. If the black events would occur only while rendering, I'd be fine (well, better off) but mine show up when I edit. I'm just scrubbing along and there's black on the preview monitor again while the timeline shows perfectly normal looking frames. This requires quitting Vegas and reopening until it happens again.

With no hope of change in sight as far as I can tell, it makes me start thinking of switching to another NLE, and the only thing that stops me is that I dread the thought of learning another software system only to discover their pet annoyance.

EDIT: Oh wow! After moving my events onto my SSD I am seeing the smoothest playback on my external monitor I have ever experienced. Now I'm curious to find out if I'll get any black events....
wwaag wrote on 3/20/2015, 1:23 PM
What I meant was try moving your AVIs to another hard drive and see if you have the same problem.

wwaag

AKA the HappyOtter at https://tools4vegas.com/. System 1: Intel i7-8700k with HD 630 graphics plus an Nvidia RTX4070 graphics card. System 2: Intel i7-3770k with HD 4000 graphics plus an AMD RX550 graphics card. System 3: Laptop. Dell Inspiron Plus 16. Intel i7-11800H, Intel Graphics. Current cameras include Panasonic FZ2500, GoPro Hero11 and Hero8 Black plus a myriad of smartPhone, pocket cameras, video cameras and film cameras going back to the original Nikon S.

johnmeyer wrote on 3/20/2015, 1:47 PM
Turn off ALL GPU settings in Vegas (both in Render As, and in Preferences).
Paul Fierlinger wrote on 3/20/2015, 2:38 PM
@wwaaq:
I did that and reported on it above (under EDIT; you might have missed it)
@John Meyer:
I haven't had that on for a long time, but I'm looking forward to working from my SSD. If speed will prevent events from turning black there should be hope the way Vegas now plays back my 1080 uncompressed files.
johnmeyer wrote on 3/20/2015, 3:02 PM
Anything is possible, but I've never seen any reports here that disk speed (or lack of it) has any influence on black frames.
Paul Fierlinger wrote on 3/20/2015, 9:35 PM
Bummer. Does anyone know what's causing this? Do the developers? Does it happen on other NLEs?
Paul Fierlinger wrote on 3/26/2015, 8:52 AM
SOLVED> I haven't had a black clip or frame since my last post, which is pretty convincing to me, considering the rate at which they were appearing prior to my switch to an SSD for storing my AVIs.
preet-t wrote on 1/23/2017, 6:10 AM
Turn off ALL GPU settings in Vegas (both in Render As, and in Preferences).

that solved my problem... thank you so so much.☺️