Blackmagic Mini Monitor 4K (PCI-E 4x) & 10 Bit over HDMI

fr0sty wrote on 6/4/2018, 7:46 PM

Just bought one of these for Resolve, and was wondering if anyone knows if Vegas is capable of outputting 10 bit video over this device? The device itself has a HDMI 2.0a port and is capable of both 10 bit and HDR metadata, so I'm hoping it'll work to get 10 bit output to my LG OLED TV through Vegas.

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fr0sty wrote on 6/6/2018, 8:37 PM

To answer my question, yes, Blackmagic devices (at least claim to) support 10 bit over HDMI through Vegas. No, the card I mentioned above does not work AT ALL with Vegas, despite being advertised to. It sees my Blackmagic Decklink Studio 4K (which has no HDMI so it is useless to me for preview purposes), but not the mini-monitor 4K.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

OldSmoke wrote on 6/6/2018, 8:44 PM

You could buy a SDI-HDMI converter, not a cheap solution but it would work and you are working with a much better card compared to the mini monitor.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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fr0sty wrote on 6/6/2018, 8:47 PM

I don't think the decklink card is HDR capable, the mini monitor 4K claims to be. The entire reason I'm buying this setup is to be able to grade HDR on my OLED TV. I've found that Premiere is gimped in the way that it has no way of outputting 10 bit video at all... outputting from the Geforce or mini monitor are both capped at 8 bit from what I can tell, as what I see when editing is not what I get when rendering. Resolve wants me to buy the studio version to test HDR, so I can't test it out yet, but so far it seems to be working as it should. Vegas doesn't see the card at all, unfortunately.

I'm hoping Vegas 16 comes stock with all the HDR tools I need and support for this card... until then I will have to use Resolve Studio. I was hoping to at least get 10 bit preview working so I could do my editing and basic grading in Vegas before outputting in Premiere (it has the necessary encoding options for HDR).

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Kinvermark wrote on 6/6/2018, 10:04 PM

What about BM's "Intensity" cards? (They have so many monitoring options now, I can't keep track.)

Former user wrote on 6/7/2018, 2:35 AM

Going forward, I wonder if this development will help ... http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-releases-firmware-update-tool-to-support-displayport-1-3-and-1-4-displays.html

Similar/same download, different article (Display port problem 1.3 & 1.4) ... https://www.techpowerup.com/244981/nvidia-has-a-displayport-problem-which-only-a-bios-update-can-fix

fr0sty wrote on 6/7/2018, 3:10 PM

I tried it out... over display port, I couldn't even get 4K after the patch (that said, I was adapting DP back to HDMI, and it is very possible the DP adapter was not HDMI 2.0). I tried it over HDMI. Nvidia's control panel will now allow me to select 12bpc at 4:2:2 4k 60hz now, but it isn't actually outputting at that depth, because when I put a 10 bit test chart into Vegas and begin playing with the contrast to make the gradient banding stand out more, it quickly becomes obvious that both the 8 bit and 10 bit rows on the test chart are giving me 256 shades, 8 bit color. The banding is the exact same size (though aligned in different spots) on both charts.

So far Resolve is the only thing I've been successfully able to get 10 bit output from my blackmagic mini monitor.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

fr0sty wrote on 6/7/2018, 8:37 PM

Resolve is also connecting to my TV in HDR mode, so that's a plus. I'm going to try to make a HDR workflow tutorial that starts with cutting the video in Vegas, exporting it to resolve, grading it in HDR, exporting that to a high quality 10 bit intermediary, and using hybrid encoder to do the final encode to HDR10. I'm hoping Vegas 16 eliminates the need for this 3 app round-trip. In order to do so, it will need to do the following:

Preview output of 10 bit on as many supported devices as possible (mini monitor 4k would be awesome, just sayin').

Able to have 1024 levels on scopes, as well as nit levels up to 10,000.

Able to encode a 10 bit HEVC & H.264/x264 file with Rec2020 primaries and 10 bit color depth

Able to inject MaxFall and MaxCLL values for the monitor we are using to grade on into the output video file's metadata.

So for neither premiere, Resolve, nor Vegas can do all of those things in one app. It would be awesome to see Vegas be the first.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Kinvermark wrote on 6/7/2018, 8:58 PM

I look forward to seeing your tutorial! I have not yet started exploring HDR, but I do own a GH5 and so expect to try this out in the future - once all the clever guys have figured out a good workflow :)