Blank (black) spaces in rendered project

Richard Jones wrote on 1/29/2015, 5:57 AM
I've just completed a lengthy project and was annoyed to find that there were two black gaps (of less than a second) in the film where I had failed to join the events on each side together. Is there an easy way of identifying these before starting to render?

It is hard to see these In an hour long project with several hundred events unless you scrub along a much enlarged Timeline or play the project through from the Timeline itself before rendering. Both solutions are time expensive. I have tried the Audit Assistant FasstApp from Vasst but this identifies overlaps (i.e. dissolves) as well and places a Marker against each item --- given that I use dissolves extensively (running in length from 5 or 6 frames to, on occasion, in excess of two seconds) the Timeline becomes littered with a huge number of Markers .and still does not distinguish between the two. It would be nice to select all events and be able to apply a sort of Post Edit Ripple to them but this does not see, to be an option. Any ideas/solutions will be welcome.

Richard.

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OldSmoke wrote on 1/29/2015, 6:31 AM
Vegasaur has a build in Auditor that will check your whole project for any problems including unwanted gaps, miss aligned events and many more issues.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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Richard Jones wrote on 1/29/2015, 8:39 AM
Thank you Old Smoke. I've several times been tempted by Vegasaur, especially as so many speak so highly of it, but I'm not certain how many of its options I would actually use and thus hesitate to spend £100 on it. I wonder if there are any alternative solutions.

Richard
OldSmoke wrote on 1/29/2015, 9:07 AM
The features I use the most are:
Transcoding/Batch Rendering
Render Assistant
Pan/Crop Copy-Paste
Track Motion Copy-Paste
Project Audit
Proxy Builder
Media Replace
Markers and Regions
Project Archive
Split Stereo to Mono

There are many more that I use but those are the ones I use the most.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

riredale wrote on 1/29/2015, 10:18 AM
I remember some years back that Johnmeyer had written a gap eliminator. A quick search turned this up.

Have no idea whether it would work on later versions of Vegas, but do recall using it in the past to prevent just the sort of issue you described.
OldSmoke wrote on 1/29/2015, 10:25 AM
It's a shame that Vegas doesn't have this build in. I remember even the old Ulead Media Studio 5 had such a feature.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

larry-peter wrote on 1/29/2015, 10:28 AM
Timeline Tools (free) may be able to do what you want. Its tool also searches for gaps AND overlaps, but allows you to set a minimum gap/overlap length to search for and adjust. Unless you use 2-3 frame crossfades frequently, you could set the filter to search for gaps/overlaps of less than 2 frames (or simply below your minimum crossfade length) and it would identify only gaps.


johnmeyer wrote on 1/29/2015, 10:27 PM
Here are all of my audit scripts:

John Meyer Audit Scripts

I think you'll want to look at the "JHM Audit (for short blank gaps).js" script. It looks for really small gaps, as well as really small overlaps. You can change what is considered "really small" by changing a variable in the script.

I don't think you want to use my gap remover script that someone posted above because, as it says in the comments in the script, it doesn't make any attempt to sync other tracks when the gaps are removed, and you can really screw up your project. I wrote that script for a very specific, narrow use.

Take a look at each script. They are designed to find user errors that are very easy to make because of how the Vegas UI is laid out. For instance, it is amazingly easy to accidentally "nudge" the event opacity level as you click on events, and scrub the timeline. The "event levels" audit script will find those problems.

The duplicate fX is really important if you use Paste Attributes because if you already have fX on an event, if you Paste Attributes, you end up with duplicate fX, and this can really ruin your day (and your project).

The No Final Keyframe really helps if you do a lot of "Ken Burns" animation on still photos. Vegas used to have (maybe still has) an "anomaly" in how it treats the last keyframe when an event is lengthened. If you lengthen an event by dragging the left edge, the first keyframe stays at the beginning of the event. However, if you lengthen it by dragging the right edge, if you had a keyframe at the exact end of the event, it does not stay at the end. You can argue all day as to whether that is the right thing to do, but for me, it is not what I expected, and I ruined a lot of projects, where I didn't notice until too late that the photo animation ceased while the photo was still being displayed.

Some of these scripts work on all tracks; some work on all events; and others only work on things that are selected. Read the comments at the beginning of each script to find out how it works.

I wrote these a long, long time ago, but still use them almost every day.

Richard Jones wrote on 1/30/2015, 5:07 AM
Many thanks to all of you and especially to John as I shall be using his scripts --- that is really so kind of you to make them available.

As far as this p;articular problem is concerned, Timeline Tools does the same as the Fasst App I mentioned in my OP which means that, if you've made a lot of overlaps, these are identified as well as the gaps which is a bind if you are only interested in finding the one or two gaps that have occurred.

Richard
Gary James wrote on 1/30/2015, 7:09 AM
Richard, if you configure Timeline Tools as shown in this screenshot, it will eliminate ALL Event gaps in your selected Track. This tells Timeline Tools to Make a Relative change to the length of each Event of Zero frames (don't change length). It also instructs TLT to ignore changes to the Event Fade curves. And to Adjust Events to have an Overlap size of Zero frames (no overlap or gap between Events). Or you could simply select the Remove Gaps & Overlap radio button instead of the more advanced and flexible Adjust Gaps, Event length, Overlap & Fade radio button selection shown.

Richard Jones wrote on 1/31/2015, 5:00 AM
Thank you Garry. I'll give that a go when I get into my next project in the next week or so.

In the meantime can you confirm that this will identify only the gaps --- I ask because I make extensive use of overlaps (dissolves) some of which might only be 6 or 8 frames in length and I'm sure you will understand why it wou;d be easier if these were not identified as well.

Sorry to be a pain.

Richard
Gary James wrote on 1/31/2015, 6:17 AM
Richard, I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. The Timeline Tools Gap / Overlap Search tool can be used to search for either Gaps or Overlaps. It will find Gaps or Overlaps that are Greater Than or Equal To the number of Frames or Seconds that you specify in the input box. Enter a positive number in the box to search for Gaps, or a negative number to search for Overlaps. The tool does not support searches that need to be defined by an expression such as (>2) & (<8)
Richard Jones wrote on 1/31/2015, 8:34 AM
Thank you Garry. That clears it up for me. I was interested in only finding gaps.

Richard