Blu Ray compatibility

ideomatic wrote on 8/30/2010, 11:33 PM
Hi!

I'm new on this forum. I bought Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum with DVD Architect 5 a few days ago.

Soon I discovered that there are several problems to create full compliant AVCHD discs. I own a Samsung BD-2500 blu ray player. So I'm going to buy an LG BH10LS30 blu ray recorder.

I just want to know if the blu rays created with DA5 are full readable with the most common player.

BTW, someone can tell me if the LG BH10LS30 is a good recorder.

Comments

Steve Grisetti wrote on 8/31/2010, 5:37 AM
It doesn't matter what hardware you use or what brand name the burner is. The program will produce BluRay discs playable on virtually any BluRay player with any BluRay burner.

(As I say in my books, though, it's always to your advantage to use a quality brand disc, like Verbatim, rather than a cheap store brand or Memorex, which can sometimes produce discs that some players don't read well.)
Kimberly wrote on 8/31/2010, 6:36 AM
Ideomatic:

Hello and welcome. I am using SVMSPP 9.0 and just upgraded to 10.0, so I am interested in Blu-Ray compatibility too.

There is concensus that DVD-A 5.0 creates Blu-Ray (BD) disks on BD media and these play well in most BD players. Several users have reported this in other posts.

However there has been much discussion on the ability of DVD-A 5.0 to 1) create BD format disks on DVD media, and 2) create AVCHD format disks on DVD media. The answer (as I see it) is a yes, no, and sometimes, depending on how you create the disk and what BD player you have!

The thread below has some excellent information about BD and AVCHD. It is worth reading because you will learn a lot you never knew (I certainly did):

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=721883&Replies=80

I hope you enjoy using 10.0.

Kim
KenJ62 wrote on 8/31/2010, 7:38 PM
Look in your manual to see if your Samsung supports AVCHD.
I have the WH10LS30 which is the OEM version. It creates Blu-ray disks and DVDs just fine.
ideomatic wrote on 9/1/2010, 12:37 AM
Hi,

my Samsung BD-P2500 can read AVCHD DVD, but the only way I know to create one AVCHD disk is to render the full timeline and to pass the rendered file trought tsMuxerR. In this way the movie is playable but without menu or chapters.

If I try to create an AVCHD disk with DVD architect, I obtain a non playble disk, with a lot of dropping really shuttering frames.

So I'd like to avoid the problem, buying a BD recorder, but I'm not sure my player can read BD-R discs...
KenJ62 wrote on 9/1/2010, 3:35 AM
but I'm not sure my player can read BD-R discs...
What? It's a BD player!

If I try to create an AVCHD disk with DVD architect, I obtain a non playble disk, with a lot of dropping really shuttering frames.
Contradictory statement - if it plays "shuttering frames" then it must be playing but not without stuttering. Set your encoding rate to around 15 Mb/s and it will play without stuttering.
ideomatic wrote on 9/1/2010, 3:44 AM
KenJ62:
"but I'm not sure my player can read BD-R discs...
What? It's a BD player!"

Yes, I know, but on the manual I read that the player can read BD-ROM and BD-RE. There is no mention about BD-R.

I remember that some years ago a lot of DVD player were not able to play DVD-R, only DVD-ROM. So, I'm afraid it can be the same with my player and BD-R.

BTW, I encoded an AVCHD disk with DVD Architect, using a 10Mb/s rate, but the movie is still stuttering. But if I encode the same movie with Vegas at 16Mb/s and I create the AVCHD disk with tsMuxeR, the movie is really fluid, without stuttering.
KenJ62 wrote on 9/1/2010, 8:56 AM
There is no mention about BD-R. Really? My 2009 Sony lists BD-R/RE in addition to AVCHD playback.

Sorry about the stuttering problems you have. My BDP-BX2 player and a friend's LG player play all "AVCHD compatible" disks (~15 Mb/s) from VMS9, 10 and DVDAS5.
ideomatic wrote on 9/7/2010, 3:38 AM
Hi,

I bought the BD recorder. I created an iso with DVD Architect and I burned it with Imgburn on a BD_RE TDK disk. Unfortunately my Samsung BD-P2500 player don't recognize it!
If I try to play the disc on my PC with PowerDVD everything is ok.

I know that the problem is about my Samsung player, but maybe there is something I should know about iso creation and/or burning.
PeterDuke wrote on 9/7/2010, 5:57 AM
Why didn't you burn the BD-RE directly from DVD Architect rather than via Imgburn?
PeterDuke wrote on 9/7/2010, 6:07 AM
Maybe it is just your BD player. I understand that some older players in particular would not read recordable discs.
Jeff9329 wrote on 9/7/2010, 9:42 AM
Maybe it is just your BD player. I understand that some older players in particular would not read recordable discs.

There are lots of old and current players that will not read BD-R. I produce events and offer them on BD-R as well as NTSC-DVD and hear about the Blu-Ray discs "not working" all the time.

On one of my LG Blu-Ray players a firmware update removed BD-R compatability and I had to revert to an older version. No idea why they would do that.
PeterDuke wrote on 9/7/2010, 5:28 PM
" I had to revert to an older version"

With some hardware, firmware updates are a one-way street. You were lucky that you could go back.
ideomatic wrote on 9/7/2010, 11:13 PM
Many thanks to everybody for your advices.

I did another experiment. I burned the iso image on a BD-R and my player is able to read it!

I have also to say that the rendering quality of Vegas is really close to the original clips. I'm really happy! :-)
TOG62 wrote on 9/8/2010, 1:47 AM
You mean you burned the ISO as a data BR-R and it played? Wow!
im.away wrote on 11/20/2010, 10:09 PM
Even though you have got your Blu-ray to work, it is still probably worth looking into the blu-ray format rules so that others don't get caught.

I recently burnt a disk at 1440 x 1080 resolution that wouldn't play in any player. I used Vegas Pro 10 to render the project and chose to use an mpeg 2, 25 Mbit/s codec, which matched my project settings pretty well. This wasn't a random selection, it was one of the "legal" choices within Vegas.

After the disk failed I did a bit of research and found this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Filesystem

If you scroll to the centre of the page, there is a list of allowable codecs/formats for different resolutions and bit rates. It seems that I should have used an AVC/SMPTE codec ONLY for 1440 x 1080 resolution, not mpeg 2. Bugger!

Anyway, I tried this and it still doesn't work, but at least it is in the correct format - and it is most likely an issue with the software blu-ray player that I have. So from now on, I'm going to keep this linked page in my favourites so I don't stuff up again and hopefully my disk does work when I try it in a hardware player.

Cheers

Russ