Blu Ray for DVDA

JohnK wrote on 1/12/2008, 12:49 PM
I have burned an HD movie to Blu Ray using VPro8 (Tools->Burn Disc->Blu Ray) and a Sony Burner. It worked great. However, VPro8 only burns a self starting movie, NO MANUS. However it did carry the chapter markers over (that is you could advance to marker with the blu ray remote).

Question: When will DVDA process Blu Ray with Manus? Is Sony working on that? It should. It seems it is blu ray all the way.
JK

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InterceptPoint wrote on 1/12/2008, 5:00 PM
When will DVDA support Blu-Ray?

An excellent question that has been asked more than once on this forum. We are all waiting patiently. Well some of us are waiting a little less patiently than others..

Come on Sony. It is time to give us Blu-Ray with menus.
DJPadre wrote on 1/12/2008, 9:22 PM
but u see, if they did that, there wouldnt be a need for you to buy their 50k+ BD authoring suite.... ;)

Al i wanna do is author a frigin BD disc to behave EXACLTY like a SD DVD. I want to import my BD project and say
OK< first upo, do up a BD disc, once you do that, recompress my project down to this SD resolution and frame rate, and create an SD copy of this SAME BD prject.

Now this could easily be done with a vegas like script (NOT DVDA script or somethign similar to an adobe action, or MS Macro)

I dont care about active menus and the accessing a menu while the movie is playing... .. in fact i believe ppl will get confused or pissed off at active menus.

I DO like the idea of linking your webpage to the product, so a client can indeed browse your site after tehyve seen your product, but moreso than this, what Vegas and DVDA need are the following.

- HDV to BluePrint with no rendering. What this entails is a simple change of Aspect ratio.

- Uncompressed PCM RAW Surround render templates

- Dolby Digiatl TRUE HD (bit for bit) as well as Dolby Digital Plus encoding (with multithread support than kyou very much...)

- Get rid of DD studio encoder within AVCHD output. Its useless to those who know WTF theyre doing. In fact its a negative compromise. Id rather render to AC3 5.1 manually then Mux later, as opposed to being stuck with a piece of crap encoder which doesnt give you have the features of the proper AC3 encoder

John_Cline wrote on 1/12/2008, 11:04 PM
DJPadre; Who told you that four-letter words like "sh*t" and "cr*p" are acceptable here on the forum?
DJPadre wrote on 1/12/2008, 11:33 PM
What difference does it make how i say what i say? i took out the S word, but crap means exactly that... crap.
The encoder sucks and does nothing to enhance the HD playback experience

Fact remained that were still stuck in yesteryear when many other apps have had these features available for many months
vicmilt wrote on 1/13/2008, 7:20 PM
Dear Mr/Ms Padre -

Actually I agree with you on many of your rants. I also wish we had many of the various suggestions that you accurately portray.

And having spent a great deal of time "on the road" I also suffer from the habit of "expletive overuse" - much to my chagrin and occasional embarrassment. I Try to temper my foul-mouth when I'm lecturing, or with clients and also in the company of people whom I know it would offend. It doesn't always work, but I try. Let's face it - curse words are not an imperative to expressing strong opinions.

Your usage of common expletives in print is, I guess, a stab at impertenance and a tie (I imagine) to the youth culture - which I was proud to represent about forty years ago.

We can both understand some of the forum members here - who object to the use of profanity, and I have to say that while my mouth often gets ahead of my brain (and good common sense), it's not very often that my pen does (or I guess more appropriately, my keyboard). After all, you can't really take back spoken words, once uttered - but it's really easy to re-read a post, and edit same.

Now your continued use of the Very Visual Imagery of dogs, tends to upset me... a lot. Having owned and loved dogs throughout my life, I really respect them. And their particular enjoyment of either cleaning or simply playing, has never much bothered me.

It's your unique use of this illustration (presented in a very negative tone - with which most dogs would strenuously disagree), that critcally upsets a primate such as myself. Simply because it immediately renders a very strong image - and one which I have never really known anyone to participate in.

So with all due respect to you... I wonder if you would kindly stop that particular imagery? I guess I could "ban" any messages from you, but in truth, I Like most of what you have to say.

So how about rendering a kindness to an admitted dog-lover and dropping that particular phraseology? If not, let me know here, and I guess I'll just have to block your very interesting points of view - something I have never done, in the eight or more years I have particiapated in this forum.

What do you think??

Most sincerely,
Victor Milt
Laurence wrote on 1/13/2008, 7:37 PM
You can burn a Blu-ray compatible disc complete with menus on a regular DVD+-R or a BD-R using Ulead Movie Factory Plus HD.

These days, you can be politically correct while supporting a government which condones torture, but you can't show a nipple or say a four letter word. It sucks cat balls if you ask me ... ;-(
vicmilt wrote on 1/13/2008, 8:03 PM
Interesting Laurence...

well, personally it's EASY for me to imagine bestiality - and I personally find it abhorrent.

But what you bring to the fore... is that with ALL the media and attention about torture (and those animal images are truly tortureous to me - after all - some of my best friends are dogs...) - I have NEVER seen a live demo or even a cartoon or line drawing of "waterboarding". I have a scant idea of what it actually looks like, but nothing concrete.

Starnge isn't it... with all the prevalence of pornography and wholesale depiction of torture and murder - not one public affirmation of exactly "what" waterboarding is???

Why not?

Is it worse to look at than "Saw" or "Alien" or a dozen shows on TV tonight?
If it's not torture, why hasn't any congressman (who permits it to happen) - volunteered a session to show how innocent it really is? We've got people on the web piercing their faces, privates and even hanging from hooks. That would be a torture to ME. So where is the innocence of waterboarding??

v
Laurence wrote on 1/13/2008, 8:23 PM
Well one difference between waterboarding and other forms of torture is that CIA agents have to waterboard each other during training. There is a pretty interesting discussion of this http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17181403here.[/link]

None the less, I don't want to veer into a political discussion here... the "cat balls" line was meant to just be a joke. I thought you would probably be less offended by "cat balls" than "cow balls" since you have spent so much time covering cowboys lately ...
Coursedesign wrote on 1/13/2008, 9:06 PM
During WWII, the U.S. Government prosecuted Japanese military officers for waterboarding American soldiers.

What was the U.S. Government's classification of this war crime?

Torture.
InterceptPoint wrote on 1/14/2008, 6:06 AM
Laurence:

While torture is an interesting subject it is less interesting to me than how to make good PS3 playable Blu-Ray disks on standard DVD media.

So, returning somewhat to the topic of the thread, I have a query:

What Vegas render templates have you used successfully in conjunction with Ulead Movie Factory Plus to generate DVD+R (or DVD-R) disks playable in Blu-Ray players?
megabit wrote on 1/14/2008, 6:20 AM
Using BD burn form timeline, and having prepared my own custom templates for both MPGE2 (1440 and 1920, @any bitrate of up to 35Mbps tht I tried) and AVCHD (1440@15Mbps bitrate), I am able to prepare an m2ts file that can be then authored with menu by the Ulead MF6, in either BDMV or AVCHD format.

Of course, I'd like to be able doing the same with DVDA. But, apart form protecting their ridiculously overpriced BluPrint package, SCS probably have another good reason for delaying the DVDA BD-authoring capability. I guess that being Sony, they just HAVE to wait until the consumer BD-R/RE standard is fully settled - unlike third-party companies like Nero, Ulead or Roxio, they just cannot jump on every "compromising" opportunity to burn a menu-featuring BD. Not until it's an official, full-featured, and Mr. Sony-approved and blessed way. And this won't happen before the HD delivery format war is over, and the dust settled.

Therefore, I'm afraid we're going to wait quite a bit longer for a BD-authoring with DVDA than just the "c" or "d" updates of the 4.5 version - perhaps the 5.0 major upgrade at the earliest? Otherwise, why would SCS even care to implement BD from Vegas timeline burning...

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4eyes wrote on 1/14/2008, 9:39 AM
megabit,
I agree, that's also been my view of it. When they are ready it will be implemented.
The blu-ray spec is very complex with all the different compliant types of media, streams etc.
I'm patient to wait so they do it right.
je@on wrote on 1/14/2008, 9:42 AM
Brief comment on the controversy caused by the DJP's use of the word, crap: What a load of crap!
Laurence wrote on 1/14/2008, 9:49 AM
"While torture is an interesting subject it is less interesting to me than how to make good PS3 playable Blu-Ray disks on standard DVD media."

The only thing I changed in the default Blu-ray AVCHD template was the audio from 5.1 to stereo. That means I am getting exactly the same quality on my AVCHD discs as one would burning a BD-R disc with the stock Vegas AVCHD BD compression template, Pretty cool huh!?
megabit wrote on 1/14/2008, 10:21 AM
megabit,

Exactly - the more so that the HD plug-in for the Ulead MF6 is just $20 :) And all the discs burned with it from Vegas-rendered m2ts (without recompression), play perfectly in all players I have tried them so far - and with full 5.1 audio, too.

To me, DVDA may only become an even better authoring tool, or not at all - I'm going to be patient. Unlike with Vegas, which NEEDS to get optimised (or even go 64bit) asap - with many users going Quad-core, and Vista x64!

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