Blu-Ray Topic Deleted?

Jonathan Neal wrote on 1/12/2007, 2:01 PM
Did Admin pull the post about Blu-Ray? A lot of us were monitoring that topic. I was following that topic to read A. if the allegation was true or not, and B. what the details of the allegations were and Sony's take on it.

Maybe I'm blind, but they have pulled topics before, however, it's only been if people start fighting AFAIK, not if we were just commentating on something Sony related. Was it pulled because it was false? Because it was true? Because it was bad PR? All of the above?

Comments

ushere wrote on 1/12/2007, 2:34 PM
would seem it was true according to slash dot, wired, and a couple more tech sites.

interesting if it was pulled from here - not willing to get into the 7c problems, but happy to censor free discussion of a valid, intellectual point.

ah sony, you've done it again....

leslie

yes, i did buy betamax.....
Spot|DSE wrote on 1/12/2007, 2:42 PM
I would wager it was because the subject was getting deep into a discussion of adult content, which Sony Media Software and Sonic Foundry before it, never would permit. There are a lot of young people here.
I doubt it was at all related to the Bluray component of the discussion.
winrockpost wrote on 1/12/2007, 3:26 PM
glad to see some sony person looked at a thread,, maybe they can chime in and answer a question instead of playing hall monitor.
Spot|DSE wrote on 1/12/2007, 3:37 PM
Why? Sony Media Software would have about as much an idea of Bluray, adult content, and HD DVD as Sony Electronics would know about Vegas.
Next to nothing or less than nothing.
p@mast3rs wrote on 1/12/2007, 3:48 PM
I assure you it was not my intent to post a topic that would cross the lines. I was merely pointing out an article that if ture has shown that Sony has not learned its lessons in the past. My apologies if anyone was offended as that surely was not my intention.
Coursedesign wrote on 1/12/2007, 4:09 PM
...and here I was worried that it was my thinking like a financial analyst, wondering who would take the final responsibility if Sony had a committee to filter content for Blu-Ray disc replication.
farss wrote on 1/12/2007, 4:12 PM
I don't know, it was getting a bit risque with a few double entendres and freudian slips slipping in.

Still I think two people here have raised a very valid point, if someone is monitoring posts here surely they could take the time to help users with their issues. I'm not talking about the 'how do I do this' kind of question rather the 'help, it's broken' kind.

Yes, I know users should be filling in trouble tickets however I wonder how many are aware of that process, so even a "That looks nasty, please submit a trouble ticket..." or a "Yes we know about this issue and are working on it...".

Bob.
Jonathan Neal wrote on 1/12/2007, 4:12 PM
Isn't the job of an Forum Administrator _to_ be a hall monitor? I wasn't arguing their duties.

I guess, if Spot's assumption is true, then the admins had no choice but to delete the topic, because I have otherwise never seen them trim threads, delete individual posts, or lock any non admin thread.

A strong point is made though, and we could have a whole separate topic requesting a real Madison Team Q & A guy ... only then you'd probably need to start trimming threads, deleting individual posts, and locking non admin threads. That's not including dealing with all of us, and me. Personally, I think it would still be worth it, and from what I've read we had some guys on here back in the days before Sony's acquisition. I don't think the team changed, so maybe the rules did? I guess I can also see some good reasons why they might not do that anymore.
winrockpost wrote on 1/12/2007, 4:18 PM
you are absolutely right jonathon, the job of forum administrator is the same as hall monitor,, my bad,, guess I'm just a little peeved that if someone can monitor content there should also be someone to chime in once in a while on obvious (to me) software issues.
edit,, cant spell
Spot|DSE wrote on 1/12/2007, 4:26 PM
As much as I'd wager that it was deleted because of some off-color comments, I'd wager double that amount that someone notified the moderators, rather than the mods finding it on their own.
What is "normal" to some, is exceptionally offensive to others; what is exceptionally offensive to some, is bread and butter to others.

It's ben more than 2 years since I've seen the mods come in and arbitrarily delete posts, but I'm aware of a few where folks have complained. I'm sure this one is the same.
rmack350 wrote on 1/12/2007, 5:04 PM
Yes, that was Risce1's point. A sign that anyone from Sony was looking at anything.

And maybe pushing people to submit trouble tickets is the safest course for them.

Rob Mack
Jonathan Neal wrote on 1/12/2007, 5:10 PM
risce1, you could try starting a thread about that. "Admins, do you EXIST? I have Milk and Cookies" fits perfectly in the title, lol. Who knows, it could even lead to a new hire at Sony. Some guy could land the lucky job of rummaging through _your_ posts! Starting with the one that landed him his job of course ;-)

RE: "Milk and Cookies": Hey, if it works for Santa Claus you've got to hope it works for the admin.

Jim H wrote on 1/12/2007, 7:01 PM
Gee I guess I'll have to start looking at all those "boring" sounding threads that seem to be getting a lot of hits.... I could I have known you guys have been having fun without me?

It's funny how threads go... who would have thought a topic as plain vanilla as "Finally got a proper tripod. " could spawn over 40 posts? And a Blue Ray topic spawns smut for the censors?
Spot|DSE wrote on 1/12/2007, 10:46 PM
Sure, and we could all start acting like children and giving the mods reason to be worrying about this forum again.
I'm not an admin, but as a long, long time member of this forum, I'd hope we can keep it as it's been for the past couple of years, without the banal "myspace" type of posts.
Cheno wrote on 1/12/2007, 11:12 PM
How bout we put the whole topic to bed. What is even sillier is the threads that pop up after a thread has been deleted. I would imagine that someone in charge has a good reason to delete anything. Offensive material and or material that could pose legal issues if left untouched. I guess I don't lose sleep like many do when something is deleted. I just move on to the next topic. Play in Sony's playground and they can dictate the rules. Simple.

cheno
Grazie wrote on 1/12/2007, 11:18 PM
without the banal "myspace" type of posts - Please explain Douglas? Please put it another way?
ushere wrote on 1/13/2007, 12:07 AM
i'd like to complain about lack of attention to the many 'problems' of 7c by sony.

am now going to wait and see if this thread gets killed as well.

oh, and while i'm in 'rant' mode - hands up the YOUNGEST member here. let's start below 18, after all, if you're old enough to die for your country, you're probably old enough to know what relevance porn has to the future of blu ray.

fed up with people telling me how to think,

leslier
SimonW wrote on 1/13/2007, 9:47 AM
Well, anyway, this might be of interest to the doomongers;
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117
Laurence wrote on 1/13/2007, 10:03 AM
I'm certainly rooting for Blu-ray as I just bought a PS3. There is no question it is the better format technically.
p@mast3rs wrote on 1/13/2007, 11:26 AM
"I'm certainly rooting for Blu-ray as I just bought a PS3. There is no question it is the better format technically."

Care to back that up? Thats a pretty bold statement to make and one that looks biased based on the format you chose to invest in. Not trying to start a fight or anything, but I have grown really tired of reading people taking sides and claiming which format is technically better failing to cite what makes the format they are endorsing "the winner."

From what I have seen to this point, BD authored using Mpeg-2 have sucked. Major loss of detail and doesnt compare to the HD DVDs that have used VC1/AVC. Now that might change once Sony uses VC1/AVC for their discs on the dual layer that may change. As it stands right now, NO one choice is the better format at this time. There are far too little choices in which to conduct unbiased tests to declare one side the winner or loser.
Spot|DSE wrote on 1/13/2007, 11:41 AM
Patrick, if you saw a BD encode that sucked, then it would have sucked on the HD DVD, as they're the same encode.
BD is by far the technically superior format, and a little research reveals that factoid almost immediately.
That doesn't mean it will win; Beta is superior to VHS, and we've already been down that road.
Put the same VC1 or AVC stream on the BD, it will appear identical to the HD DVD you say you saw.
BD is superior in that it is capable of much more, and more importantly for manufacturers, has more room to grow. HD DVD is predominantly the result of a tif between Bill Gates and Howard Stringer. Had that argument gone differently, there is a good chance that HD DVD never would have even gained legs.
BD has greater storage capacity, faster seek times, and greater speed. It has much more expansive capability, with TDK demonstrating 200GB of storage on an 8 layer BD disc.
Additionally, more than 1M BD players in the form of PS are out there, vs 30k HD DVD units. Doesn't make it superior in quality, but sheer numbers say a lot.
In terms of video quality, saying HD DVD is better than BD is like saying a Monster USB cable gives you a clearer cursor than than a Radio Shack USB cable. It's data.
blink3times wrote on 1/13/2007, 12:30 PM
Well... Geeeez.... I should HOPE BD is superior! Look how long they've been working on it. I remember reading an article dated 2004 stating "Blu ray to be out within months"

Meanwhile HD DVD pops up pretty much out of nowhere relitively speaking, and is giving BD a REAL run for the money. I'm not sure if there will even be any kind of winner out of this, and BD (unlike HD DVD) does have a place to go if the hollywood hi-def industry fails... the computer industry can always use the large storage capacity.

But boy... you have no choice but to tip your hat at the HD DVD camp and stand in awe at the distance traveled in such a short period of time, with so little backing from so few people. I mean really.... how many different companies are now making BD players vs. HD DVD??

And BTW... I am not yet convinced that the BD technology is better in the first place. Every body (including HD DVD) talks about these great multi-layer disks and nobody has REALLY seen one yet... I don't think BD even has a DL disk out yet... do they?
winrockpost wrote on 1/13/2007, 12:40 PM
i want a burner in my computer that burns hd to hd-dvd for $150.00
I want a hd-dvd player that plays my burnt hd-dvd's plus any movie i rent or buy , say for 125.00,, i want to buy reliable media ,and my clients be able play my creations on their $125.00 player
whoever does this wins

,dont care what it is called, dont care who invented it,dont care about the technical aspects of how it works , as longas it works.

John Q. Public and me
JohnnyRoy wrote on 1/13/2007, 12:54 PM
> In terms of video quality, saying HD DVD is better than BD is like saying a Monster USB cable gives you a clearer cursor than than a Radio Shack USB cable. It's data.

LOL, when I bought my Sony HDTV the guys at CircuitCity tried to sell me a Monster HDMI cable for $150! I laughed at him. I asked what was the cheapest HDMI cable they had and they had only one other for $120! So I went home and ordered a $20 HDMI cable at newegg.com and my HDTV looks awesome. It's all 1's and 0's inside folks.

~jr