Bluray and 5.1 surround questions

TeetimeNC wrote on 1/12/2010, 12:21 PM
Using 9c I created my first bluray on dvd media. I used the Burn Disk option to create it directly from Vegas and was surprisingly pleased with the result. Surprisingly because my source was 720p60 mts footage transcoded to 720p30 mxf, rendered to Blu-ray 1440x1080-60i, 15 Mbps (stock Vegas template). So I said WOW, just think how good it could look if I render and burned without rescaleing. And while we're at it, let's add some 5.1 surround.

As you might have guessed, things didn't go so well. Perhaps someone here can shed some light on where things went wrong.

720p24 VIDEO
I picked some nice looking 720p24 AVCHD footage I shot with my HMC150. I wanted to render as 15Mbps AVC using the Sony AVC template. There is no stock AVC template for 720p24 (why not?) so I customized one.



Only problem is I can't select 23.970 frame rate, only 24. I check in DVDA and it supports 720p24 and 720p23.970. So I decide to try 24, and the render goes smoothly.

For this first test I decided to keep it simple and stick with the stereo audio track that cam with the video clip. I rendered and all looked good. But when I pulled it into DVDA and attempted to Prepare, it wanted to compress the video. Why? It seems my Vegas render matches perfectly what DVDA supports. As an aside, why doesn't Vegas provide Sony AVC templates for ALL of the Bluray formats DVDA supports? And very specifically, why doesn't Sony AVC support 23.970 frame rate?

I prepared the disc anyway and the video quality was pretty average. Not nearly as nice as the kludge burn I did at the top of this post.

5.1 SURROUND AUDIO
I know even less about doing 5.1 surround properly than doing bluray video. I am confused by what I've read and hope someone here can help clear this up for me.

First, I cheated and got good results. I downloaded a sample 5.1 ac3 from one of the stock media sites and put it on the audio timeline in DVDA and created a bluray surround. It sounded great with good rear channel and lfe.

I see that I can't put an ac3 5.1 on the Vegas timeline. Is there any way I can use purchased stock 5.1 ac3 media in a Vegas project? Perhaps convert it to 6 wavs? If so, how?

Then I tried creating my own with a sample Vegas 5.1 setup I had downloaded from somewhere. It has six wav files and allegedly sets up all the busses for proper 5.1 surround. But when I rendered to 5.1 ac3 and played the resulting bluray I only got audio out of the front speakers and a tiny bit out of the lfe, even though the AV receiver showed that it was receiving a 5.1 signal.

Back in Vegas, I noticed that when I play the veg and watch the surround mixer I see a good volume in the front and rear channels, but none in the center and lfe. I'm totally confused. Can you see anything in the setup that could be causing this?




RECAP
So to recap, my questions are:

1. Is there a way to render 720p24 in Vegas so that it can be used in a DVDA bluray without recompressing?
2. Is there a way to use stock media 5.1 ac3 files in a Vegas project?
3. Looking at my 5.1 setup with the 6 wav files, do you see anything wrong here?

Jerry

Comments

SonyMLogan wrote on 1/12/2010, 12:49 PM
TeeTime:

you write:

" Looking at my 5.1 setup with the 6 wav files, do you see anything wrong here?"

Here is what you can do to get better results:

When you simply want to take 6 tracks and route each to a different 5.1 channel you need to route your audio tracks directly to the master bus, not Bus A,B, or C. Once this is done you can configure each track to route to the proper channel. Note that in order to send to the LFE channel you have to right-click on the panner and select "LFE Only".

When you route an audio track to a non-master bus, the track->bus pan occurs in stereo, not 5.1. You can then pan the bus into 5.1 to the master, but this is often not the most direct solution.

- Matt
Rob Franks wrote on 1/12/2010, 3:03 PM
"I see that I can't put an ac3 5.1 on the Vegas timeline. Is there any way I can use purchased stock 5.1 ac3 media in a Vegas project? Perhaps convert it to 6 wavs? If so, how?"

Yes you can.

Vegas won't open a AC3 file directly. It won't even accept one on the time line directly. I'm guessing but it probably has something to do with license restrictions. Vegas WILL however open a M2TS file with AC3.

Download TSmuxer (free) and mux your AC3 in with some dummy video and output it as a M2TS. Then import that to Vegas. Make sure you have your project properties set as 5.1 sound (not stereo) first.

When the AC3 opens up, it will open on master tracks as Matt suggests and everything will already be automatically panned to the proper speakers. Take note that some of the speakers in the panning windows will be of different colors. This indicates that some speakers on while others are off.(You can click on each individual speaker to turn them on/off).
TeetimeNC wrote on 1/12/2010, 7:59 PM
Once this is done you can configure each track to route to the proper channel.

Thanks Matt. Am I understanding correctly that, say for the LF channel, I would go to the panner for that track and pan the output to the LF speaker? IOW, I am to use the panner to pan each track to its respective speaker (channel).

Jerry
TeetimeNC wrote on 1/12/2010, 8:01 PM
Download TSmuxer (free) and mux your AC3 in with some dummy video and output it as a M2TS.

Thanks Rob, just what I was looking for.

Jerry