Thanks Will,

I found the thread you were mentioning plus another one which si quite interesting:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-16-crashes-applying-bcc-3d-object-video-efx--113410/
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/bug-the-same-newbluefx-between-vp15-and-vp16--113133/

Both the thread are quite scaring and will be enough to me to avoid the upgrade to VP 16.
Because I can´t imagine to move to an upgraded version and immediately lose the plug-ins of the previous one, either because there was no regression test done with VFX that came in bundle.with just the latest version issued 1 year ago (1st thread link), or because there is some license issue with some 3rd parties vs. new VP version (2nd thread).
This is something that a customer does not want to hear or see: compatibility vs. previous versions/VFX shall be granted!

I look forward for some offical answer from Magix, but without a fix for this issue there is no way I can spend my money on any upgrade.

Roberto
 

Curious about this too. I have VP15 Suite and would like to know if those plugins would transfer to VP16 Suite.

I remember reading about how VP15 Suite lost the Boris plugins when VP16 Suite was installed.

Would love to go to VP16 suite, but am confused at the moment. Will it destroy Boris in 15 and 14? Can 15 Boris be used with 16 Boris?

When I installed VP15 Suite, all the plugins showed up in VP14Edit and work.

Hi Reyfox,

following the instruction provided in another thread that I started, I just managed to have VP 16 Edit working (BCC was causing it to crash at the start-up).
Now VP 16 Edit works and it recognizes BCC 3D Object, which was in bundle with VP 15 Edit.
the work-around to avoid the crash is to uninstall BCC and, after installing VP 16, install it again.
Kind of weird, but it worked...

Cheers

  Roberto

Unfortunately I was too optimistic... :-(

Here is what really happens. I already sent a ticket to both Magix and BorisFX in thr hope they will find a solution.

Vegas Pro 15 Edit (bundled with BorisFX Continuum 3D Object, version 10)
=> working fine, including BorisFX

Vegas Pro 16 Edit (bundled with BorisFX Continuum Key & Blend, version 11)
=> working fine, as far as Key & Blend is not installed, 3D Objects is recognized and works.
However, when Continuum Key & Blend is installed, Continuum 3D Objects disappear (if during the installation of Continuum Blend & key, I choose to remove non-licensed BorisFX plig-ins) or becomes non-usable because non-liicensed (if I choose to install all the plug-ins of Contiuum unit).

On BorisFX FAQ section I found a thread where a kind of similar problem was reported for Avid and the work-around was:

1. with Continuum Key and Blend not installed yet, to create a project with a solid black, add all the "old version" BorisFX plug-ins (i.e. 3D Objects in my case) on it and save the project.

2. install Continuum Key and Blend and open the project

For Avid, this would have scanned the old plug-ins and inserted together with the ones belonging to a new versions. The thread explains that the reason is due to teh fact that starting from version 11 BorisFX plug-ins are stored in a binary format in a different way.
I will try this work-around this evening and report here it is works also for Vegas Pro.

Does anyone has some other idea about how to solve this issue ?
Or can anyone from Magix clarifies if this is already a know problem and they are working for a solution ?
Because obviously it is not acceptable to pay for VP 15 with some plug-ins and discover that just the next version makes them unusable.

Thanks
Regards

  Roberto Colombo

@Roberto65 …

it is not acceptable to pay for VP 15 with some plug-ins and discover that just the next version makes them unusable

Unfortunately, this has often been the situation for many years with many plugins, not just with BorisFX. Given that you bought VP Edit, you are not actually out of pocket because Edit is the base version of VP. Anything that comes with it is a bonus. What could the purpose be for 3rd party companies offering selections of their products being included for free? They hope that you will like their product and buy more of them (they are not a charity).

I have long ago realised this and no longer install the bonus plugins; rather, I bought BCC Continuum Complete OFX (during a sale such as Black Friday - only a week away now) and have avoided the VP version problem.

Hi,

I am not aware of the business model between Magix and 3rd party plug-in developer, so I do not guess what is more or less convenient for them.
The argumentation that the plug-in comes as a gift is not solid: the plug-in is part of the product offer and if a customer buy the product might be ALSO because the plug-in was there and he/she would like to use it also in future, nothwitstanding the fact that he/she upgrades to a new version.
This should be valid at least for a limited number of new versions: nobody asks to support plug-ins developed for Windows 3.1 but... c´mon... here we are talking about a +1 plug-in version (10 to 11) and a +1 VP version (15 to 16)!
It is responsibility of the two companies to avoid that what I experience now shall happen: that´s called customer care and here it is totally missing.
Instead, from what you say and from the fact that you say it always happened, the approach seems just to be: the plug-in is an eye-candy... we do not care what can happen few months later....
"Because it always happened" is, in my opinion, not a valid argumentation.

I still hope Magix and BorisFX would be serious enough to solve this issue.
Let´s see.

Cheers

  Roberto
 

Hi,

for sake of completeness, I want to update about this issue.
BorixFX Tech support confirmed that it is not possible to have different Continuum units with different versions.
Therefore Continuum 3D Objects, which is version 10 and was bundled with Vegas Pro Edit 15, won´t work when Continuum Key & Blend, which is version 11 and is bundled with Vegas Pro Edit 16, is installed.

At the end, they were so kind to find a personalized and working solution and now I have both the products installed and operative.

Regards

Roberto

Trying to wrap this tired one brain cell around this. You had Boris BCC 3D working in VP15. You install VP16 with the new Boris plugin which is version 11, so it nullifies the already installed version 10 from working in VP15?

If so, this is not really good....

Yes, correct. The issue is anyway due to BorisFX: their tech support confirmed that you can’t have single units from different versions installed.

In my opinion this is going against the idea to sell the single units separately but I think BorisFX has already and fully evaluated the marketing impact of such s choice.

Regards

Roberto

...to complete the picture, I am not sure whether this issue also applies for BorisFX 2019 (or v. 12) vs. v. 11 but surely between v. 11 and v. 10 there is no compatibility and this was confirmed by BorisFX tech support

I do not know how to think on this. You buy a product with a plugin. Buy the next version of the product with a different plugin for that new product, and it effectively makes the old plugin in the old product non-functional.

This would mean I would lose Boris Title and 3D.

Yes, correct. The issue is anyway due to BorisFX: their tech support confirmed that you can’t have single units from different versions installed.

Wait a second: i have both 10 and 11 versions installed. Did not test any of them yet but they do live together on my PC.

@Reyfox: Correct. That´s the reason I wanted to go nito this issue: Boris Title was my primary concern.
@Dape: Not sure if you are talking about the full Continuum, here I am talking about single Continuum units. BorisFX told me single units of different versions cannot coexist (referring to 10 and 11).