Burning HDV to Nero HD

tnw2933 wrote on 2/10/2005, 1:18 PM

I recently purchased Nero Ultra 6.0 and I wanted to take an HDV project in Vegas 5.0d and encode it to the Nero HD format. I am working on a dual 3.6 GHz workstation with 2.0 Gb of RAM. The workflow was to capture the HDV clips from my Sony HDR-FX1 using ConnectHD, simultaneously convert to the Cinemform avi, render the project in Vegas 5.0d to FrameServer 2.0, and then use Nero's Recode 2 to encode to a Nero HD video file that would play back on mycomputer using Nero Showtime 2 (a part of the Nero 6.0 Ultra product suite). I was able to do all of the above, but the resulting project will only play back in Windows Media Player and then it plays back in 4:3 aspect ratio rather than 16:9. The mpeg4 file that came out of Nero Recode 2 will not even play in Nero Showtime 2. Obviously, I am doing something wrong here.

What I desire to do is to somehow get this HDV project out of Vegas 5.0d and to a Nero HD file that I can play back in some Nero program. Can anyone please help me with the workflow to do this or suggest where I may have gone wrong in the above sequence of steps.

My objective is to compare the quality of the project rendered to a HD (1080 X 720) .wmv file to the HD produced by Nero.

Thank you in advance for responding.

Tom

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 2/10/2005, 2:42 PM

I've not been able to frameserve to wide either, but haven't spent enough time in the workflow to call myself competent with it or not. I've been rendering to MPEG first, then to Nero. You'll be shocked at how fast recode runs.

B_JM wrote on 2/10/2005, 5:37 PM

HD is 1:1 PEL , windows media player is crap on many levels , one of them being its ability to play back aspect ratios correctly ..

as for not playing correctly in showtime - i notice that some installations of nero 6 did not correctly write the correct value into the registry for the AVC decoder and/or splitter ...
I modified the registry myself - but in most cases i recomend to un-install the codec that shows up as broken, and reinstall it manually (regsvr32 NeNDVid.ax for example)

Filmerit is a good free program to show you broken codec installations and remove them (read instructions) - very good program to have http://paul.glagla.free.fr/index_en.htm

tnw2933 wrote on 2/10/2005, 9:09 PM

Spot and B_JM,

Many thanks for responding. I have found Nero 6 Ultra pretty frustrating to use. It does not play .mt2 files well on my system. Audio stutters constantly. I have downloaded Filmerit and will give it a try after carefully reading the instructions. I just purchased and used the AvelLink DVD network player today to finally watch some HDV projects in my home theater on a 76 X 43in. 16:9 screen as HD wmv files. I also watched some Divx-HD movie trailers. They looked really impressive. I hope that I can figure out how to get my HDV projects out of Vegas and encoded as Divx-HD files. It will be interesting to compare this to wmv-HD.

Tom

Spot|DSE wrote on 2/10/2005, 9:55 PM

I'll bet you find the DivX to look better, I saw a private shootout at CES. But Nero's AVC topped DivX, so...
Nothing will play M2T files well on a PC. Too much decode and frame stuff in there. I'm not familiar with the Avalink DVD Network player? can you post a link?

B_JM wrote on 2/11/2005, 1:21 AM

M2T files ~40meg/s (720 or 1080) play perfect on a pc with a HD150 card or a recent model ATI or Nvidia card and a 7200rpm drive with a min. of an ata66 connection and using media player classic or NVIDIA theater - this includes a 5.1 ac3 or dts stream thrown in ...

there are several embedded OS (win2k, nt4 and XP) HD servers with not much more than this - some use more expensive graphics cards, but (back then) not much was available.....

Xander wrote on 2/11/2005, 6:34 AM

I too use the Avellink player - it is great. I render my projects using the standard Vegas 1080i-60 (19 Mbit/s) profile and burn as files to a data dvd. These play back perfectly from disk.

Visit http://www.iodata.com/.

filmy wrote on 2/11/2005, 9:01 AM

>>>Nothing will play M2T files well on a PC.<<<

I use Media Player Classic and it plays back M2T files perfectly on my P4, 3.4 ghz, even at full screen.

tnw2933 wrote on 2/11/2005, 9:57 AM

Spot and All,

Actually Windows Media Player 10 plays m2t files fine on my 2.8 GHZ P4 and on my Xeon 3.6 GHz dual processor workstation with an nVidia GeForce 6600GT graphics card. However, Nero Showtime 2 will not play these files well at all on either of the above computers.

The Avellink player, as others on this thread have posted, is an excellent means of getting HD into a Home Theater (at least until we have Blu-ray or HD-DVD tehcnology. We have just placed our AVelink player in our Home Theater downstairs with a Buffalo wireless air station and I can stream HD video (either wmv or Divx) without any problems to the Avellink player and play them back on my 76 X 46 in. 16:9 screen. The HD wmv files look good, and the Divx files look REALLY good. I am not geting any breakups in either audio or video during the streaming. In addition the AVellink player can stream my entire iTunes library down to my home theater for playback as ell as JPEG photos which look really nice in HD.

The link to the US Iodata site is: http://www.iodata.com/usa/

Tom

JJKizak wrote on 2/11/2005, 10:14 AM

I'm trying to relate how this player compares to an HD video card like the MY-HD 120. Seems like it does the same thing.

JJK

B_JM wrote on 2/11/2005, 10:17 AM

they both can decode , thats where the similarity ends ..

Spot|DSE wrote on 2/11/2005, 11:22 AM

I meant more as a raw file, full screen from the camera, or in the edit system.
Playing back m2t's in a small rez is not a problem, depending on the system speed. Maybe I'm just seeing lousy computers?

B_JM wrote on 2/11/2005, 12:05 PM

as a raw file, full screen from the camera - no problems .... even full 50meg/s transport streams play back fine with not much special hardware -- that is , once i got rid of the matrox graphics cards .. standard ati and nvidia cards have HD mpeg decoders in hardware built in ..

in the editor (vegas) - nope .. but really by all rights it should play (as all mpegs SHOULD) fine in vegas if just straight playing from the time line with no effects or filters.

in other editors - depends ....

Spot|DSE wrote on 2/11/2005, 12:21 PM

That would be the why...ALL our cards are Matrox 550's, Parhelia's, etc. I couldn't see how this could be done without a decoder chip.

B_JM wrote on 2/11/2005, 1:10 PM

i love the Parhelia for the stability and quality -- but when it comes to media playback, the matrox cards --- simply fall down ... there is a night and day difference on playing mpeg files and even mpeg4 ..