I'm running through a long clip setting regions for video sections I want and I have some hot audio in spots and I would just like to rubber band it down while I am going through it and the audio mixer doesn't seem to cut the sound down in trimmer, so I am having to do it with my windows volume adjustment - and it's a bit of a pain in the butt to keep adjusting it that way-so I was hoping maybe there was a way to rubber band the audio down in the trimmer. Not a big dieal - but nice to know if I could - and I haven't found a way to do it yet.

Guess I could throw the whole clip on the timeline and set the regions (I think) - but I haven't been able to copy and paste a clip from the timeline back to a bin - so I was just trying to see if I could adjust the audio in the trmimer.

I am coming from a different editor that allowed me to do all that - so I am just trying to get into a workflow that I am familiar with and works for me while I am learning the nuances of Vegas.

Yep... that's another thing you can NOT do in Vegas.
Other NLE's allow it, and it can be a time saver... but NOT Vegas. (at least I haven't found out how)
Once again, they think every thing should be done on the Timeline.
Vegas' workflow is different than the rest of the NLE pack.

I feel your struggle to keep your workflow the same.

Dave,
Here's a workaround you could try:

Open a new instance of Vegas and put the clip on the timeline. You can set regions and adjust the audio. Save it as "long Clip" or whatever

Then you go back to your main project and you can put the entire project "long clip" into your main project's trimmer and it will come in with the audio the way you want it and all the regions too.

kairosmatt

sync2rhythm - appreciate that info.

kairosmatt - I almost understand - I opened a new instance, put the clip on the timeline and created some regions, saved the project - but I don't know how to put the project into my main project's trimmer - I have tried it via explorer - the main project gets closed out and the new project just opens up - I will check in the help - I know it is like a container or nestled sequence or whatever - just need a bit of time - I am sure it is probably like one click away.... thanks

Dave, don't double click on the file to send it to the trimmer because with .veg files it automatically opens them.

Just drag and drop it from the explorer panel to the trimmer. You can also drag and drop from regular windows explorer to the vegas trimmer as well.

What you are doing is nesting the new project. Another cool thing about this is you can keep it open to go back to it, make changes, save it, and it automatically updates in you master project.

kairosmatt

I am going to have to try it again cause something just didn't work - but that's a pattern for me - I have to do something about 4 or more times before I figure out what it is I actually did......

Anyway - I read the help file and it talked about dragging a bin , so I created a new bin in the longclip project - cause I couldn't drag the clip itself from the All Media folder - and once I dropped the new bin in the original project, when I put the clip in the trimmer it had all the regions that I originally before - so let me mess with it to get down the process because I am sure this will become part of my future workflow process - I just never have had to open multiple instances of an editing program before (not sure it wold let me).

Thanks

It sounds like you might be making it a bit more complicated than it needs to be. I don't think you need bins at all. In fact, to make this work, don't look in the project media panel, look in the explorer panel (the one that lets you navigate your hard drives).

Navigate to where you saved the new longclip project.

Simply drag the project file itself (with extension .veg, not the clip) that has the longclip in it straight to the trimmer.

kairosmatt

Most NLE's are made to open multiple timelines in one project. Vegas doesn't do that but the long standing consolation prize is that you can open Vegas several times simultaneously. Multiple instances of Vegas. The advantage might be that this manages memory better, the disadvantage is that it's not as obvious to the user, and maybe a little awkward for some people.

We've gone through a few edit systems around my workplace and the one piece of advice I can give you is to not try to force Vegas to do what the last NLE could do. A year down the line you might find yourself painted into a very complicated corner. We all spend so much time learning to use an NLE that we start to take its workflow as if it were a law of nature. We've done that here going from Media100 to 844x to PPro to FCP... it's not productive to be so rigid.

Vegas' trimmer won't do anything to the clips you put into it. Yes, it's the logical place to work on a single clip but, no, you can't do that here. You can send the clip to Sound Forge from the trimmer and then edit the audio there, but that's permanent (although I think you could render a new audio file instead of altering the media file).

You can also apply MediaFX to the video stream of clips but you can't do it in the trimmer (which seems to me like a logical place for that), nor does Vegas give any helpful indication that a clip has a Media FX applied. This is kind of an orphan feature in Vegas.

If you think this sort of functionality is helpful you could file a feature request. The trimmer has been receiving attention lately after languishing for years, so maybe SCS would do something along these lines. They could build a kind of basic "Video Forge" application into the trimmer.

The general workflow is to just use the trimmer to set marks and regions in the clip, and then selections from the clip to the timeline. In the timeline you can create your envelopes and do some audio editing, or you can send the audio to sound forge and bring it back as a "Take". (Look up Takes in the help file. These are very useful!)

Matt's tip of dragging a veg file into the trimmer is a good one, I didn't realize that was possible. With this you could put your audio on a project timeline, do a lot of audio tweaking, and then bring that veg project file into a new project. In the end this doesn't allow you to tweak envelopes in the trimmer but its food for thought.

Rob Mack

Thanks everyone.

Initially all I wanted to find out was if there was a way to adjust the volume level inside of Vegas when trimmer was playing media without having to go to Window’s volume adjustment – as I couldn’t get the audio volume down with the Audio Mixer when Trimmer was playing the clip. I think the answer to that is NO.

As is often the case, several good points came out for me during the responses which have been very helpful. To be clear, I am not wanting to edited in Vegas exactly the same way as I did with Liquid – although that was my editor and a good one it is. Unfortunately, Avid decided to kill it (IMO because that old Fast product was a better editor than Avid Express and competed against MC’s potential customers), and the promised replacement seems to keep getting pushed back in time. I actually tried Vegas a while back and got so frustrated that I went back to Liquid to finish the project. Then for some reason I had to used DVD Architect to finish a DVD done with HD footage, and I found it very straightforward and thought I should give Vegas another go at it.

This time I had a project with HD and SD, with an hour plus of footage that needed short short clips (3 to 7 seconds) with underlying audio for a 1-3 minute promo highlighting the videographer, a musician, and the studio where a 25 minute dvd/ tv promo was shot. I thought it was perfect for learning Vegas and getting into a workflow.

I am a keyboard editor. I don’t like to have to take my hands off the keyboard to move up and down the timeline or to go click on some icon to do something that I feel I should be able to do from the keyboard. I don’t mind using the mouse, but if you tell me to edit in Vegas I need to be a 75% or 80% mouse user – I think I would say I have to give that some serious thought.

So the comments to my recent posts have been very helpful. The nesting and multi-sessions of Vegas vs the multiple timelines is helpful. Regions and selecting all after cursor and the ripple comments help a lot. I am starting to see a workflow based on suggestions that work for me. I am open to new and different ways of editing. I still struggle moving around that timeline without the mouse and I can compromise if I need to. In the end, editing is editing, and I really don’t think Vegas is that much different from other editors, but there definitely are nuances and terms and new ways of editing that is a bit frustrating to a new user coming from another pro editing system. And of course, this "Sample Text" issue has me wondering if I should even be spending time somewhere else.

I said I was going to do a project to learn Vegas, and so far I have not given up. Thanks for all the comments, and I am sure I will be asking a few more “questionable” questions.

There's a lot of keyboard navigation buried in Vegas and the key commands are configurable, but that still might not mean that you can create the key commands that you want.

Even so, SCS does listen to feature requests submitted by the feature request page. Generally, Vegas goes through 3-5 point releases before the next major release and they often add far more new and significant features than I would ever expect from a point release. So if there's something you want then make a suggestion in the feature request form.

The generated text bug is really, really bad, probably the worst bug ever let into the wild in Vegas. This sort of thing hasn't been the norm in the past and let's hope it's rare in the future.

If what you really need is a way to control output volume then I'm thinking you need a knob. Like on an outboard mixer or even just a knob on your speakers. Option two would be volume control buttons on a keyboard. Windows Volume Control has never been anything but inconvenient. I wonder if there's a good free replacement for the Windows mixer control?

Rob

If what you really need is a way to control output volume then I'm thinking you need a knob......

Hi Rob - thanks - I appreciate all the input. Just to put sound adjustment when playing a clip in the trimmer to rest, I was only "wondering" if there was such an adjustment available in the Vegas interface - I didn't see one - there isn't one - it's no big deal - I was merely asking.to see if I had missed something.

Thanks again.

Sorry. Compulsive question answerer. :-)

Dave, are you just looking for the Preview fader in the mixer (Ctrl+alt+6)?
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