Can't get Pinnacle work with VV3***PLS HELP

lior73 wrote on 8/7/2002, 3:12 PM
Hello to you all
I need to make the decision whether to keep the card or return it.
I've got the Pinnacle Studio Deluxe package (which comes with AV/DV board.
I think it's a great card in it's price tag but I have a problem to integrate it with VV3.
Right now I'm capturing via the analogue input since I'm using HI8 sources.
VV3 can't detect the card so I must capture with Studio 7 (the one that comes with the card ) It's not that bad. I can import the DV file to VV3 with no problem and
edit it. But I can't use the "Print to Tape" feature or output to external monitor
in order to make analogue copy. This thing drive me crazy. can any one have a suggestion ?
I'm using WINXP which detect the card fine and it appears in 4 instances under "Device Manager"
1.Texas Instrument OHCI compliant 1394 host controller (under IEEE1394 bus host controllers)
2. 1394 Net Adapter (under Network adapters)
3. Pinnacle Systems Studio AV/DV E4
4. Pinnacle Systems Studio AV/DV Overlay
both under Sound,video and game controller.

If there is no way to use this card in VV3 I will return it and get something else.
I want to hear your recommendations up to 400$ but it must have a DV capturing feature thru an analogue AV input and it need to work with VV3.
Thanks
Lior



Comments

salad wrote on 8/7/2002, 3:45 PM
Many here need the same capabilities, and seem to rave about the success with the Canopus ADVC100 in combination with any OHCI compliant 1394 card.
Doesn't hurt to return it and look into something else that everyone else is having good results with. I have a $25 firewire card that works wonderful.
The ADVC100 is said to go for around $300. So, for....$325-$375....there it is.

Does Pinnacle Systems have a forum you can visit???

Good luck
lior73 wrote on 8/7/2002, 4:04 PM
Just to clear things up , I want to "print to tape" or feed the external monitor with the card analogue output.
Is this possible in VV3 ? or do I need to use a DV device that will do the conversion?
Thanks
Chienworks wrote on 8/7/2002, 4:38 PM
Vegas will output it's signal through firewire (1394). You will use a device such as the Canopus ADVC-100 to convert this to analog video to feed a television / monitor / VCR. If you have a digital camcorder you can probably accomplish this with that camcorder by connection the firewire port on the computer to the camera and using the analog audio/video outputs on the camcorder to go to the television / monitor / VCR.
salad wrote on 8/7/2002, 4:41 PM
You don't need to clear anything up.
We know exactly what you're attempting to do.
All this and more will be possible w/Vegas 3.0C, and the hardware mentioned.

Good luck
SonyDennis wrote on 8/7/2002, 6:04 PM
Do you want an even better deal on the ADVC-100? How about $289?

http://www.canopus.com/sonicfoundry.htm

///d@
Clyde200 wrote on 8/7/2002, 7:37 PM
I already have one but thats way cool... Canopus & SF
sqblz wrote on 8/8/2002, 6:12 AM
Lior

the name of the game here is "full OHCI compliant 1394 card", either be it a $25 or $250 card will do.

I have a Pinnacle Studio DV (not Deluxe) which is a DV-only (not AV) Firewire card. It is a full OHCI compliant 1394 card. So, it integrates perfectly with Vegas. I can capture DV and print back to tape also, no difficulties at all.

I suggest that you fiddle a little more with your 1394 drivers. Are you using the Micro$oft or the Texas drivers ? for the Studio DV, Pinnacle recommends using the Texas driver.

I am sorry that I can't help you more, as my card is not exactly the same as yours. But my reasoning is that Pinnacle built the Studio DV Deluxe starting from the Studio DV and adding the AV circuitry. I mean, the DV circuitry in "your" card shall be identical to the DV circuitry in "my" card, so it should perform as well.

Cheers.
salad wrote on 8/8/2002, 10:36 AM
I think that the Studio DV Card might be an exception, for I too have had good luck with one, but still passed it on to my other PC. What's up with that PPE v.107 thingy?
I think what might be messing up some folks is they install everything on the CD. Bad idea.
If I was having problems with a Pinnacle product, I would consider(after Ghosting) doing a complete OS install(not the "repair" or "upgrade" method), and have the problem Pinnacle DV card as the only PCI card installed. Do all the necessary OS updates, and Install ONLY Vegas (for testing purposes). Connect camera and cross fingers.

What's the latest on "version 2" of firewire?
lior73 wrote on 8/8/2002, 1:50 PM
Thanks for the input guys but I want VV3 to work with the analogue part of the card.
I assume connecting a DV device to the IEEE1394 will cause Vegas to find the device.
But I just don't know what should be the status of the OHCI IEEE1394/DV under "Preferences > Video Device" when nothing is connected to it.
I just want to know if Vegas does not recognize the Pinnacle card at all or just can't work with the analogue part of it.
While in Pinnacle Studio 7 I can decide which output I want to use(1394/DV or AV output) the analogue output does not appears in Vegas.
I can see the "OHCI Compliant IEEE1394/DV" device under "Preferences > Video
In VV3 and the device status is:

1.This device supports recompression
2.Hot pluggable device
3.Device unavailable

Whether Vegas can't work with this card at all or maybe Vegas can't work with the analogue part of the card .
What do you think ?
Why Studio 7 can recognize the AV output but Vegas unable to do this ?
Thanks
Lior

Former user wrote on 8/8/2002, 1:53 PM
You might check on the Pinnacle forum, but I believe the analog part of the Studio Deluxe is proprietary. Meaning you need to use the Studio drivers which might not be accessible through third party software.

Dave T2
HeeHee wrote on 8/8/2002, 3:09 PM
As pcfx indicated previously, The Canopus ADVC-100 is the way to go. It has composite/SVideo out so you can actually "Print to Tape" with VV3 thru the Firewire card to an analog device like a VCR, Hi8 camcorder, etc that is hooked up to the Canopus.

Otherwise, if you kept the Pinnacle, you would need to capture with Studio 7, import into VV3 to edit and render to a DV AVI file. I'm not sure how the Pinnacle works, but I have an ATI AIW that I can setup to clone the display going to the monitor over to a TV or VCR, etc... I then just play the video full-screen using the ATI file player and press record on the VCR. I/m sure the Pinnacle does something similar to this. If not, then return it and go with the Canopus. Another advantage of the ADVC-100 is that it locks the audio/video sync. Analog capture cards are notorious for losing sync over time.
Former user wrote on 8/8/2002, 3:13 PM
the Studio Deluxe converts the analog to a DV AVI during capture.
lior73 wrote on 8/8/2002, 5:23 PM
Just tried that and it works just fine.
Capture with Studio 7 > import to VV3 > edit > render to DV > import to Studio 7 >
Print to tape thru the analog port.
Thanks
mfranco wrote on 8/10/2002, 7:43 AM
I have a DV500+ and I have to use premiere to capture and print to tape.

I read recently on the dv500 board or mail list that the new version of Pinnacle Edition will have drivers that will "open up" pinnacle cards to other software and/or hardware. It wasn't official and there were few details.

I also read on the pinnacle support boards that if you don't install pinnacle's 1394 driver but use the MS driver, the dv500 will act like a normal card, but you lose realtime capabilities. I'm going to try that after my current project is finished.