Cannot render AVCHD 1920x1080

Locust wrote on 9/3/2008, 7:04 AM
Hello,

I'm using Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9.0a (Build 85) and I'm unable to render AVCHD files at 1920x1080 without Vegas crashing (with no explanation). I can render fine in 1440x1080, but the loss in resolution is apparent.

The camera I'm using is a Sony HDR-CX11e, and it doesn't seem to matter which files I use to render, it all crashes equally.

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/3/2008, 8:37 AM
What Processor are you using, what operating system are you using?

We have some indications, that Quadcores and German Vista versions leads to crashes if you render 1920-AVCHD when you have some simple crossfades...

... but I do not know, if that PC equipment is similar to what you use.

What seems to work fine is the mpeg2-encoder for full-HD rendering.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

Locust wrote on 9/3/2008, 8:44 AM
I'm using an Intel Core 2 Quad 6600 and 64 bit Vista in English. They say Sony software isn't supported under 64 bit, I know, but this doesn't seem like a 64 bit issue, though I may be mistaken.

I have a laptop with XP 32 bit installed, would I be able to install a copy of Vegas on it without angering the Registration Code Gods?
ritsmer wrote on 9/3/2008, 8:58 AM
Yes - as far as I remember from the licence - you may install on more machines but on use on one at a time.
Locust wrote on 9/3/2008, 11:06 AM
I'm currently rendering my files on my laptop and it's at 58% so far no crash.

I tried uninstalling everything from my main computer like DVD player programs and codec packs, but Vegas still crashed when rendering AVCHD.

I went in and changed the threads option to make Vegas use fewer threads (2 threads, then 1 thread), but the program still crashed, albeit much much later (past 60% in comparison to <5%).

Is it a flaw in the way Vegas handles quad cores?
Eugenia wrote on 9/3/2008, 11:14 AM
Either quad cores, or 64bit. Do a bug report to Sony using their online form, and give them all these details, including how long your video is, at what point it crashes, if you are using plugins or not, how many threads you are using in the settings panel of Vegas etc. This is a bug that only Sony can fix it, so you should bring it to their attention as they don't always read this forum.
Timpe wrote on 9/3/2008, 11:46 AM
I found also same issue with my Q9300 and Vista 64-bit. I made also a bug report. We'll see what can be found and if Sony can provide some help on this issue.
Locust wrote on 9/3/2008, 12:11 PM
I made a bug report to Sony before coming here.

I tried running in XP compat. mode but got this error message:

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Locust wrote on 9/4/2008, 12:58 PM
My XP laptop rendered (very slowly) the entire thing to the end, but the video exhibited strange blocks of colors about 2 minutes in and then became super jumpy and garbled, completely unwatchable, for the remainder.
Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/4/2008, 1:09 PM
"Either quad cores, or 64bit. Do a bug report to Sony using their online form"

The relevant product manager is aware of that issue discussed here, I can tell you for sure.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

Locust wrote on 9/5/2008, 2:29 AM
I recently read about a 64-bit version of Vegas Pro. Does anyone know if they're working on one for Vegas Movie Studio as well?
Timpe wrote on 9/8/2008, 9:15 AM
I got reply from Sony tech support where they said only Vegas Pro will be 64-bit, not VMS. And they said during this year..

About the rendering problem they suggested to allocate more memory for Vegas and try to reduce processing threads. With 4, 3 and 2 threads I got Vegas crashing. I also allocated 1024 MB memory for Vegas. It says that it is maximum amount although I could allocate little bit more from 4 GB.
Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/8/2008, 2:59 PM
@ Timpe,

so it did not help. You can only do two things:

- render to mpeg2-based footage, that will be more stable during rendering
- wait for Moviestudio 9b.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

josenegro wrote on 9/8/2008, 3:41 PM
I'm a newby to this forum and very recently changed from many years of being an (unsatisfied) Pinnacle7/8/9/10/11/12 user to VMS, only to find out that my projects, when rendering 1920 x 1080 AVCHD, consistently crash irrespective of the duration of my video. I sincerely hope that the cause will be remedied quickly as to restore my confidence in this product. Sofar it was a joy working with VMS as I did not experience a single crash while editing, which cannot be said about Pinnacle. But I do still have an unfinished product, which I cannot show to the world. I meanwhile filed a bug report.
Locust wrote on 9/9/2008, 3:36 AM
Josenegro, what kind of system are you running? 64 bit windows? Quad-core? I'm curious to see if there's a pattern, here.
Jimmieg wrote on 9/9/2008, 3:15 PM
I had the same problem and thought it was because I was using an amd tourion 64 laptop with only 2 gig of ram. but then I tried and advance render to a different codec and it rendered just fine. I had to make sure I turned off all other programs and it took about 2 hours to render 4min video at the highest resoultion. Needless to say I need a faster more powerful system for HD. I rendered the video in several codecs as mp4 and to burn for dvd. and toplay on my hard drive. I did have a couple of crashes while doing the edits and adding music. I found by saving the project after each transition or effect limited the crashing

good luck
josenegro wrote on 9/9/2008, 3:33 PM
Click on my name and you'll see the environment I'm working with. In this case Vista 32 and not 64. I received the following reply to my request for assistance from Sony:

Go to Options / Preferences / General tab... Scroll to the bottom and uncheck the option that says 'Enable no-recompress for long GOP rendering' and try rendering again.

Have tried it and it seems to work, but I had sofar insufficient time to really test it out. It did render without a crash, but couldn't find the file back on my blu-ray disc. I'm still a newby. Will keep you posted.

Locust wrote on 9/10/2008, 6:26 AM
Well then it seems like it's not just a 64 bit problem, which is both good and bad. Good, because they're more likely to fix it, bad because, well, they released a software package with broken AVCHD support.
hastinc wrote on 9/19/2008, 1:39 PM
You will probably find the crashes only happen when you trim the AVCHD clips in your project and apply a transition.

Rendering non trimmed clips will work OK.

This has been reported to Sony who are investigating.

A work around is to render the project to AVI full HD (thought you will need a lot of disk space!) and then make a new project and place the large AVI clip on the timeline, then render AVCHD. The quality looks fine to me.

Hopefully Sony will have a fix soon.
dls wrote on 9/20/2008, 9:29 PM
I also have a quad processor with 64-bit and the rendering blows up within a few seconds. My movie does have transitions. I am now rendering to the hard drive. It seems to be working. I will see how it goes when I try to compress and send it to the blu ray disc.
josenegro wrote on 11/11/2008, 1:00 AM
Has anyone experienced that with the 9b (build 92) version the impossibility to render AVCHD 1920x1080 has been resolved?
ebros wrote on 11/11/2008, 6:05 AM
It has been not solved!!!!!
Timpe wrote on 11/11/2008, 8:38 AM
I agree, still almost same problem. Now it even says there's no codec for the job (Sony AVC)..