Canon file format editing - a question for Grazie?

Duncan H wrote on 2/5/2012, 9:27 PM
Hi.

Contemplating getting a Canon XF 100 as a step up for general corporate work.

I think Grazie has it's big brother (XF300) and I therefore assume that Vegas Pro handles the 50 Mbps, MXK (mpeg2) format O.K. (maybe easier on the CPU than AVCHD?). Can anyone who has edited footage from the Canon XF range confirm please. I'm on VP 11 (or VP9e) and Win 7. Any thoughts about this camera most welcome. I'm not looking to produce broadcast and low light performance isn't that big an issue. Thanks in anticipation.

I am hoping that this format is Vegas friendly as I definitely want to avoid transcoding to intermediaries etc.


I note that the following video file specs are provided:

Compression: MPEG-2 Long GOP
Color Space: 4:2:2 (at 50Mbps recording)
File Format: MXF
Recording Modes:
50Mbps (CBR) 4:2:2, 1920x1080, (50i/25p), 1280x720 (50p/35p)
35Mbps (VBR) 4:2:0, 1920x1080 (50i/25p), 1280x720 (50p/25p)


Regards,

Duncan

Comments

Duncan H wrote on 2/5/2012, 9:28 PM
Should say MXF obviously !
HyperMedia wrote on 2/6/2012, 12:32 AM
I am trying to find info on this camera too. A client gave me this camera file. When I drag to file on Vegas timeline the video image looks like they are proxies files. Looking into investigate.

Here what I found on the Creative Cow forum.
The video requires that you use the Canon software supplied with the camera. It’s called the Canon XF utility. With this software you can do some culling and very basic stuff like marking clips. I’ll primarily use it for converting the files to the format needed for Sony Vegas or Final Cut Pro.
Grazie wrote on 2/6/2012, 1:45 AM
I use the Utility to get MXF files swiftly into 3 places for workflow:

1] Something that is called a Virtual Media - eh?

2] Straight export of MXF files into the my WORKING folder under the project Folder name.

3] Serious BACKUP folder/disc.

So 3 places I could grab 'em.

OK, PITA No1 - 'cos the video is captured to CF cards, and they are 32FAT, I end up with "chained" 2gb files. Total pain. Doing long form, say lectures, I've gotten 6 files for one Lecture. I've then rendered to another MXF file for doing a Multicam session of lecture.

OK, PITA No2 - The whole file naming is a complete tragedy. Forget that nice Tape VidCap saying you wish to rename Files? Nope . . . . I have to pre-structure an SD card at home, use this in the SD card slot, point the camera at the SD card to get the info - duoh! - totally tragic.

PITA No3 - I have no control of the ZOOM from my LANC if I have Manual ZOOM already selected. I can't override the Manual ZOOM without flipping another switch.

PITA No4 - The On/Off switch is silly.

PITA No5 - Ah yes . . !!! There is NO rolling Scene Take time. Even on my humble XM2 there is a part of the screen which displays the actual amount of time I've spent on a take.

OK . . OK . . OK . . having said ALL the above, you'd have to pries the XF300 from my dead hand to get it away from me.

It is just unbelievable in it performance and event the quality of the digital reach is just a tad less than stellar, but quite acceptable.

The Lens is to die for and the audio quality is superb.

Once I've gotten over the sillynesses of the above, what remains is a magnificent beast just desperate to to take dreamy content. Sure fixed lens, so that shallow DoF is limited but even still with my filters AND the 3 mechanical NDs to keep the iris massive, gets me through the job.

No, I have much to praise the Canon chappies on. For me the slow move to HD, from a camera that still is quite mixable with 1440x1080 to DVD has been a natural step-up for me.

Be careful with the lowlier secs on the XF100 - you may just want to spread your wings in the future. Oh yes, the XF300 has real-time Waveform monitors and a cascade of Focus assists to monitor your adjustments. To this end I've gotten a follow focus to dial in better=sharper focus.

Cheers

Grazie

farss wrote on 2/6/2012, 2:13 AM
Re PITA #2.

Will the camera give you the option of Time Of Day timecode, really helps with my EX1.

Bob.
Duncan H wrote on 2/6/2012, 2:43 AM
To Grazie,

Thank you so much. Exactly what I was looking for - all the tech stuff with just a whiff of je ne sais quoi.

From Melbourne, Thank you.
smhontz wrote on 2/6/2012, 9:24 AM
I have and XF 105 and a 305. I do not use the Canon XF utility at all. For my purposes, I don't care about the meta-data that Canon records in the additional files - all I want is the mxf files.

The breaking apart into 2gb chunks is slightly annoying, but here's what I do:
1. Put the CF card in the media drive.
2. Windows Explorer opens up, and I go to the Contents folder.
3. I use the search function in Windows Explorer to search for MXF. That gives me a list of all the MXF files, regardless of the folder structure used by the camera.
4. I just drag all the MXF files from the search results to my folder of choice on my hard drive.
5. I can then just pull them all into Vegas from the Vegas Explorer window. Because the files are sequentially numbered, they all are inserted in order.

It does take quite a bit of processing power to work with these files because they are so large.
Duncan H wrote on 2/6/2012, 2:48 PM
Thanks. That's very useful info because that is exactly what I'm doing with my cheap & cheerful Canon cam now. Good to know that I can do the same.
Rgds Duncan.