hmm.... well I've noticed one thing - in vegas when first installed the canapus card appeared in PREFERENCES/VIDEO DEVICE as something like: "Microsoft DV something device" - or - windows DV something device"

no after moving the card a few times to resolve a conflict with the audio card it appears in VEGAS preferences as OHCI compkient eeee etc device

and preview on external monitor doesnt work

any clues what bit is missing please?

does anyone here actualy use these two products together?

Yes, these are combined everywhere, for the Firewire output. The Ace card won't convert the DV stream to analog output from the card. You must have a converter somewhere in the stream. The DV 1394 card can convert, but not the Ace card


eh?... the s-video OUT on the card IS analog surely? - and besides when we first installed it, it streamed video OUT from VEGAS via the cards s-video OUT to preview on the external monitor just fine.

now after re-installing it doesnt and as i mentioned in the other post (before i saw yours due to the collapsed threads view) it was appearing in Vegas as something else, NOT as an OHCI colpient 1394 card

any clues? - it DEFINATELY can send video OUT to the external monitor cos now, all it will do is bounce incoming video while capturing back OUT via the s-video out and it shows on the monitor just fine

the only difference I can see is as I mentioned in other post

when first installed it DIDNT appear in VEGAS as an OHCI EEEE 1394 card... there was just a listing for something like: "Microsoft (or windows) DV device"

now it's calling it a 1394 card and cant see this microsft driver any more

odd

any clues please? - like what SHOULD it appear as in VEGAS's preferences/video device in order to send video OUT to external preview monitor?

you wouldn't by chance be using a Dell pc would you? I know that Canopus and Dell have had compatibility issues but they do have a patch/fix that might solve your problems - check the Canopus site for more details - I'd send it to you myself but I'm not on my regular PC

From the Canopus website, regarding key features of the ACEDVio:

> Provides analog and DV input/output compatibility for leading editing and DVD authoring applications.
> Connects to all widely used analog and DV cameras and decks.
> Compatible with Windows and Mac OS computers.
> Provides the industry’s highest quality analog-to-DV and DV-to-analog video conversion with locked audio support.


> Provides video output to a monitor or television while editing. [Isn't this what Jim is referring to? If this is different, please explain.]


> Features adjustable brightness, contrast, saturation, hue and sharpness controls on analog video input*.
> The broadest editing software support and video equipment compatibility ensures a longer product life and a high return on investment.
> ACEDVio includes Vegas 4.0, Professional Digital Video and Audio
Production software.*
> Encoding and authoring of fully interactive DVD titles with
Ulead® DVD MovieFactory™ SE
> Three-year warranty.

I'm anxious to hear if you can work this out. I'm having a Video Editing computer built and originally thought the ACEDVio card would be a great addtion.

If it won't let you Preview on an external monitor and you still have to put a DV-to-Analog converter between the PC and the external monitor, its not worth the money to me. I'd just get the ADS 1394b PCI card instead.

pking,

You should visit the Canopus forums. www.canopus.us.

After you register, go to the acedvio forum. According to folks posting there, you should be able to use the card as an analog output to a TV while playing from the Vegas timeline. I am awaiting a reply explaining what to setup in Vegas - as well as on the card itself - to do this.

I don't have this card, I have the ADVC-300 which works fine but one thing even with that I need to watch is that the ADVC is set to work in the correct direction. In my case it's a switch on the box.
In the case of the card I don't quite know how that works, maybe Canopus provide a small piece of software to control it?
Definatley worth checking out the Canopus forums, even if you don't find anything specifically about the unit and Vegas if it can be made to wokr both ways with any PC NLE then it should work with Vegas.
One thing for sure, it'll have to appear to Windoz as a Microsoft DV device to start with.

I don't have the AcedVio card but I di have the AVDC-1394 card installed, do you have all the "dip" switches set correctly on the card? The 1394 card has them, I figured the AcedVio has them too.

I got a reply at the Canopus forum. Hardware wise, in order to pass the signal to a TV, you simply use the S-video OUT connector. The rest is setup thru Vegas.

Didi you ever get this working? I just bought a 20" monitor (a fairly cheap tv with front AV inputs) and I just cannot produce an external view of my projects in Vegas 5.

ACEDVio Vid Out ---> Video Input on television (RCA type plug - no S-Video on tv)

The ACEDVio actually is an OHCI firewire card - with build in AD/DA converter. I know about some people who use it and it works fine with Vegas, both for analog input as well as for monitoring or analog output.
But I remember there is an issue - a case when the card does not switch automatically from input to output. Can't remember what must be done to manually do the switching. I'll take a look at it in our forum and tell you when I found it.

Marco

Oh this sounds awfully, awfully familiar. I DO have the Canopus ACEDVio. I tried and tried. I too was needing to have the options for:

1/- Analogue <> DV conversion

2/- Options to Monitor Preview from t/l AND capturing - but not at the same time - hah!

3/- Have a Panasonic DV deck as part of the switching

4/- Have a Panasonic VHS VCR somewhere on in-line

I have been told by Canopus that I cannot have these items all connected AT the same time - I too was getting feedback. I would have to physically detach that which I don't want and attach that which I did want to have happen. I can't do all of the 1 thru 4 functions and expect to leave them connected and hard wired. There is NO Canopus s/w as part of the ACEDVio that will connect on demand, there aren't DIPs that I've been told of to use.

So, biting the bullet, I now use the PANASONIC as my main "switching" hub - it has loads of manual options and connections to and fro from PC to monitor to DV deck to VHS VCR .. oh and actual RF TV if I want to record to my PC or Pannie VHS/DV! - now I only use my ACEDVio as a means of:

A: Getting capture in and out of the pc using its f/w connected to the Pannie DV Deck

B: Preview back thru same f/w to Pannie DV Deck and from there onto my monitors.

So I'm only using the 1394 DV in/out f/w - all the other connections: SVHS; Audios INs/OUTs are disconnected - period!

Ok, I can now stumble sometimes and "get" feedback, but I now KNOW that I have used my remote to connect 2 things that I should not have. Easy! Before I was under the table, in the dark, pulling and pushing connectors on and off the ACEDVio just to do something as simple as bringing IN analogue! Now I have a bank of options and just flick thru my zapper until I got it connect in the correct way. But, oh yes, I was not a happy bunny when I realised that I had bought something that wasn't easily controllable AND the functions for why I bought it would NOT play ball. However, the solution WITH the PANNIE deck has afforded me with other solutions that actually work better and are more intuitive too!

Up to you what card you buy - personally I got the ACEDVio and if at any time my Pannie Deck goes tits up, I gotta a kinda alternative solution waiting in the wings - yeah?

Oh yes .. you did bring it all back .. . took 8 months before I got what I wanted!

Grazie

ps: Yes, I too read the manual, marvelled at the animated GIF and re-read the instructions . . . until I hear differently, and from a Canopus Engineer, I can't have all I want to do connected up permanently using the ACEDVio.

O.k. - I found some infos about it.

First thing is:
The ACEDVio DA-converter is inactivated and blocked if a dv camera is connected. So if you wanna do your monitoring or an analog output through the ACEDVio you should not only turn off the camera (if connected) but really put off the camera from the firewire cable.

Second:
To switch in- and output it is recommended to use the ACEDVio controller software. Start the software and use the Play/Stop keys to activate the switching process.

Looks like doing it this way it works fine for most people. At least when using the card on Win98SE and Win2000 systems.

Just another issue sometimes appears on Windows XP systems which is related to a Windows problem. But there is a driver offered by Canopus which should help. You can download it here:

http://www.edius.de/Downloads/advc_filter.zip

Hope this helps.

Marco

Thanks Marco - good man!

However my system, which was built by a company who builds these systems specifically around ACEDVio cards, does NOT have this switching software. When I brought up the issues with my ACEDVio, with a telephone call to Canopus UK, there was no mention of their prop s/w to do the switching - very odd!

And yes, what I also got back from them was the fact that I would HAVE to disconnnect/dissable or at least turn of a DV device - this case it would be my Pannie deck, in the case you point out it would be the DV cammie.

However, at present I do have a "stable" platform to earn money on . . . the ACEDVio was paid off long since . ..

Best regards and thanks for the kind consideration and time you've spent on this info gathering,

Grazie

Maybe a misunderstanding. This is not a switching software. Means: Its origin purpose is not to switch in-/outputs. Its a controller software for video processing. Some people just found out this software can be "abused" in some cases to make the switching work.

Following article shows a screenshot of that controller software (anywhere in the middle of the article - the article itself is written in german):

http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Canopus_ACEDVio.html

It's a pity if it does not help in your case. They really could have build this card more proper for use. At least it's converter is pretty fine.

Greets to 600 km north of here. If I'll have the chance to get myself to London once again in the future - let's have a coffee there. Or - no - better let's have a Guiness and a Whisky ... ;-)

Marco

Sorry, yes Controller Software. This gives me the ability to play with the default IRE settings and the like .. and that's about it.

Here is the animation I spoke of . It clearly implies (if one can clearly imply anything, I suppose one can ) all the things connected at once. I asked the Canopus guy what he thought of this ... I honestly can't recall his reply!

About " . . be "abused" in some cases to make the switching work . " I don't think so. As I say, all you get is the option of adjusting and confirming the SETUP IRE stuff - yeah? Even with or without KraftWerk .. hahaha ..

OH yes . . "They really could have build this card more proper for use." . . Seems like their animation works the way we would expect it to, too!

Truckin' On,

Grazie

>> This gives me the ability to play with the default IRE settings and the like .. and that's about it.

Yes, there are no more functions availble on the surface of this software. Only some video processings.

I think what others do is just starting the controller then use the Play/Stop button of the input device if there is an analog device to be switched to give the card a new signal impulse.
So this is used to switch to the input AD converter.
Seems like starting the controller software does manually activate the analog input and starting/stopping playback then let's the card recognize the signal.

To switch to analog output it seems like the dv device on the input must be completely disconnected.

So - yes - what you see on the Canopus animation (the workflow graphic) must be wrong. I think Canopus wasn't aware of this problem when they started distributing the card. But they should have either solved the problem or changed the infos on their web-site.

Marco

Yer know, Marco, it's times like this I wish I stayed making ceramics and my only involvement was getting in line for my Aviator tickets - know what I mean?

However, at present, I'm capturing some work I did back in mid 04 for this project I'm working on and this "widget" stuff is just so annoying and frustrating at the time, and so many people KNOW SO MUCH better than I do .. I could scream. But then the "mist" clears and I'm off again .. pathetic eh?

Grazie