CC help: Any way to salvage?

smashguy37 wrote on 4/26/2010, 6:08 AM

Shot a 2 cam video last night at my church for the band I play in there. Main cam at the back was a Canon XH A1s filming at 30F and the one crammed in the back corner is a GL2 which functions mostly as a B cam when I need it.

XH A1s:
http://img532.imageshack.us/i/ccxha1s.png/

GL2:
http://img404.imageshack.us/i/ccgl2.png/

As you can see, the GL2 looks terrible. I made the mistake (in my opinion) of using the fake 16:9 feature and it looks awful. Obviously it's going to look a lot softer and crummier than the other one (which was filming in HDV), but I did the same thing last month in 4:3 and stretched it to the fill 16:9 (I know, I know, but it turned out pretty good surprisingly). The GL2 is also set to frame mode with a WD-58 wide angle.

I'm running all of this in a 1080-60p timeline in Vegas 9d (64-bit) and besides the resolution being awful on the GL2 (I assume it zooms in and crops the top and bottom to make it 16:9?) is there any way to help the colour? I can get the room to look reasonable, but then the skin tones are very red.

If anybody could maybe send a .veg or something with a CC filter on the GL2 so I can figure out how to match it the best possible with the Canon (I know it won't be perfect) that would be awesome. I'm still trying to hone my skills with colour correction, but some things stump me. My current solution is taking some of the yellow out of the whites and moving the mids away from the green/yellow area. I can't get it much better than that. I might end up putting a B&W filter on it otherwise.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Comments

musicvid10 wrote on 4/26/2010, 6:40 AM

As far as the color, it is differences in lighting. Personally I wouldn't touch it.

You "could" take a touch of red out of the midtones, at the expense of turning the walls and the faces in the background green, which would look even worse side-by-side with the first clip. You see, there is overhead tungsten lighting on the stage, which is more pronounced in the second clip.

I promise, you are the only person who is going to notice this.

smashguy37 wrote on 4/26/2010, 6:52 AM

I guess so, it's just irritating to me.

Here is last month, same camera, but different angle (and stretched 4:3)
http://img541.imageshack.us/i/ccgl2march.png

erikd wrote on 4/26/2010, 7:30 AM

www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=zgryznkuxjg&thumb=4
www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=lmnej0ao2hz&thumb=4

I gave this a go with before and after samples. I did use the AAV ColorLab Plugin. I have a veg if you want it just send me an email.

Erik

Tom Pauncz wrote on 4/26/2010, 9:00 AM

If you have 9.0d, you could play around with the new "White Balance" event FX...
Tom

erikd wrote on 4/26/2010, 9:34 AM

Tom,

I messed around with the new fx white balance but to me it seems a bit crude. Really only one slider that deals with color correction. I could see how it could be useful for quick and move on.

Erik

smashguy37 wrote on 4/26/2010, 9:39 AM

I also played with the new White Balance plugin but it did seem quite basic.

Your correction looks a lot better than mine did -- mcrawford37@gmail.com

Thanks a bunch.

richard-amirault wrote on 4/26/2010, 9:41 AM

I'm still trying to hone my skills with colour correction, but some things stump me.

You didn't say ... were both cameras white balanced before the shoot? You should *always* do a manual white balance .. at least for any indoor shoot .. and not rely on the presets in any camera.

Tom Pauncz wrote on 4/26/2010, 9:53 AM

Agree. It is a bit crude.

I did play with the sample bad camera still and found that if I upped the brightness BEFORE using the picker to choose the closest to white, it'll do a fair job.

Then small adjustments can be made with the other slider.
Tom

smashguy37 wrote on 4/26/2010, 10:20 AM

Normally my editing jobs are from various videographers who rely on auto everything or are too lazy, so I'm used to poor footage.

I know I should have a white card or something...I love the white balance on the XH A1s. I think the GL2 got changed, I kept trying to move the positioning around and I threw it up quickly and hit record when we were ready to go, because normally I make a point of white balancing the GL2 (at least), but I had other things on my plate (drums) so I didn't take the time to do both.