cd burning with VV-3

matrix_pl wrote on 9/11/2002, 12:42 PM
I need your advice good people
I love VV-3 and its ability to add crossfades,track indexes, fade-in/out etc to my audio files. When I burn a disc at x8 I get a message "disc burn OK, no errors found on disc" I put the cd in my cd player and song one plays OK but the remaining songs sound distorted (skip). I've tried using pre-render and without pre-render with the same end-result. I believe that burning speed might be too fast but my cd burner LG 32x10x40 does not allow me to select burn speed lower than x8. Is there a setting in VV-3 that could help me here
I have P4-1.8 Win 98se 512mb ram

Any reply will be very appreciated

Comments

Chienworks wrote on 9/11/2002, 7:56 PM
This is most likely due to burning at that speed. I always burn audio CDs at 4x to make them compatible with all players. Some even recommend slower burning speeds. When you choose Tools / Burn CD / Disk-At-Once Audio CD, the dialog box that pops up should have a speed selection in the lower right corner. Set this to 4x or slower. There shouldn't be any reason your drive prevents you from going as low as 1x. I have a SONY 40x burner and can choose 1x with that drive.
matrix_pl wrote on 9/12/2002, 7:28 AM
Chienworks. Thank you for your reply.
When I go to Tools/burn CD/disc at once audio CD, the speed selection dialog box shows 8x,12x,16x,24x,32x. I will try to do some reasearch on upgrading the firmware on the burner. Maybe that will help
Greetings
TeeCee wrote on 9/12/2002, 11:05 AM
I used to use a Plextor 8/20 andif I burnt less than 8x, the CD sucked. You need to record at the best speed for your burner. The fact that the first track comes out good sounds suspicious of a Vegas issue. VV3 doesn't even give me the option of burning over 12x with a Plextor 41/12/40 so I'll be hitting Sonic Foundry's tech support department up again.

TeeCee
inspector wrote on 9/12/2002, 4:04 PM
Just for the sake of discussion, do you think incompatability with various players is due to burn speed or the ability of the player to read a particular media? I have a plextor 12x10x31 scsi burner and regularly burn at 12x for audio. The only time I have had read problems in a player is when I did not use Mitsui blanks. Otherwise I've had no problems. I burned a master at 8x for a cd that I had pressed and had no problems with that either. Before I had the disk pressed I gave out several copies of it that were burned at 12x and no one reported any problems with them. There are probably several factors other than burn speed that will effect playability. Sometimes I think that guidelines for burning disks that were certainly true in the early stages of development of personal cd burning have become urban legends. Anyone remember when a 2x cd burner cost $1,200.

I realize that error rates can be higher at faster speeds but at what point are the errors a problem. I have a friend that worked with a Native American tribe that was on the verge of loosing it's language. The elders that spoke the language were all dying off and the project he was on was to preserve the language by making recordings of the spoken word and preserve the recordings on cd. He used Plextor drives and Mitsui Gold disks burning at 4x. The main reason he burned at 4x was the fact that he wanted make sure that the archives he was creating would last as long as possible.

All comments welcome.

Steve
BillyBoy wrote on 9/13/2002, 2:35 PM
Based on the discussions in this forum which keep surfacing, some time ago I burned a several CD's with the same audio tracks at speeds ranging from 1X-16X and heard no difference at all in playback quality between any of them.

I therefore concluded the issue is either your burner, your burner software and/or your burner firmware, your DVD player or the media used or some combination of those things and has nothing at all to due with what speed you burn your CD at, which seems to make sense.

Of course this is all very unscientific testing, but lacking lab equiptment, the best I could do. I don't have a superduper DVD player, in fact a older moedestly priced Pioneer 333 which plays everything I throw at it, VCD, SVCD, XVCD, DVD regardless if CD-R CD-RW, DVD+R or DVD +RW formats.
matrix_pl wrote on 9/13/2002, 7:31 PM
I upgraded my burner's firmware to the latest official version and now VV-3 gives me the following burn speed choices: 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x, 12x. That's it. The burner is 32x10x40 so there is no 16-20-24-32x available. It's weird because Nero lets me chose from 1x up to 32x.
TeeCee wrote on 9/13/2002, 9:30 PM
So you lost burn options. That's a trip. You may want to send an email to support.

TeeCee
stusy wrote on 9/15/2002, 12:44 PM
Wish I could do that w/o having a track there...know what I mean..?
nlamartina wrote on 9/15/2002, 4:54 PM
Matrix,

After the first song plays fine, do subsequent songs play with worse and worse static/distortion, or is it about the same level throughout? If it's the former, I would suspect your CD burner was having troubles modulating disc speed as is leaves the inner-most part of the disc. You did the right thing by checking the firmware, but after this was done, did the quality of the discs improve? Oh yeah, and are you burning your project from your system disk or a dedicated drive (paritions on the system disk don't count)?

- Nick
matrix_pl wrote on 9/15/2002, 7:44 PM
After upgrading the firmware all songs on the CD play fine. No more skipping. VV-3 still does not let me choose burn-speed higher than 12x but... I've done a few tests and burning a cd at '12x' took only a little more than 4 min. I believe VV-3 recognizes the burner's high speed 32x but for some reason does not show the correct numbers in the 'select burn-speed option'. It's a bit annoing but I can certainly learn to live with it
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