Confirmed, probably bug!

@3POINT - Thank you so much for responding. I really appreciate that! Hopefuly it will be fixed soon.

But settings work as expected, it's only the thumbnails. It's no showstopper...

But settings work as expected, it's only the thumbnails.

@3POINT - Yes, I know and you are correct. It's just the "pictures of the eye icons" that are not displaying properly. Fortunately the names of the the screens are listed under those strange-looking icons which is helpful. I appreciate you checking this out!

I seldom use the Video FX window to apply effects, I normally use the Plug-In Chooser:

I seldom use the Video FX window to apply effects, I normally use the Plug-In Chooser:

@3POINT - Yes, I have selected my Video FX's both ways. Personally, I like using the VideoFX tab and then drag down into the track the FX-effects I wish to use. That's why I like seeing the pictured icons in the VideoFX tab.

The advantage of the plug in chooser is that you can apply pre-defined Filter Packages, a combination of several FX (with animation keyframes) in one action.

@Debbie-Whitmer You seeing this with only the Chroma Keyer filter?

@Debbie-Whitmer You seeing this with only the Chroma Keyer filter?

@Steve_Rhoden - Hi there! Thank you for responding! I made one more screen shot so you can see. I went through every VideoFX in Vegas Pro 22, and it looks like there's one more. Under VideoFX called "Flying PIP" it has 9 (nine) pictured eye icons missing. There's 20 (twenty) in all and I only have 11 showing but the other 9 (nine) are not showing the pictured eye icons.

ATTENTION!: I had to edit my reply above and I checked again and I'm adding 4 (four) more onto this aforementioned List. Under the VideoFX tab, I do not have pictured eye icons for the following which are: (1) Motion Tracker, (2) Slow Motion, (3) Tiny Planet, and (4) Video Stabilization." But everything else is okay under VideoFX. So, based on my original Post and replies and double checking everything, it looks like there's a total of 6 (six) missing pictured eye icons which are:

1. Chroma Keyer
2. Flying PIP
3. Motion Tracker
4. Slow Motion
5. Tiny Planet
6. Video Stabilization

I need to go for now. I have to be some place but I'll check back later. Thank you!

@Debbie-Whitmer Hi, the Flying PinP is like that, hover the mouse over the thumbnail & it shows.

My Chroma keyer is also like yours, again hovering the mouse over the thumbnail shows the eye,

I didn't really think much about it but you can see on my system it changed in VP21 🤷‍♂️

@Debbie-Whitmer Hi, the Flying PinP is like that, hover the mouse over the thumbnail & it shows.

My Chroma keyer is also like yours, again hovering the mouse over the thumbnail shows the eye,

I didn't really think much about it but you can see on my system it changed in VP21 🤷‍♂️

@Gid - Hi there! Thank you for responding and for the screen shots! Yes, I am aware that if you hover your mouse over the strange-looking icons it will show the pictured eye icons but I'm not sure it's supposed to be that way since at least 98% of them all have permanent pictured eye icons. I just find that very strange that the other 2% of them would have strange-looking icons. It just seems like it's something that needs to be fixed since these troubled spots mentioned are not consistent with all the other pictured eye icons that are correct. But thank you for sharing what you did with me; I appreciate that.

@Debbie-Whitmer Hi, I've just spent quite a while going through the thumbnails folders etc.

I think this is intentional, if you look at the green/black thumbnail it does sort of have a person on it in front of a screen. So I don't think there's anything to be 'fixed', it could be changed would prob be a more correct term.

If you go to this option in Preferences there's a folder - FX Thumbnails, you can change the thumbnail, but if this temp AppData is deleted, when Vegas reopens it recreates these thumbnails & uses the default thumbnail, ie the green/black thumbnail returns. Also even if you change all the green/black thumbnails in that folder new presets' thumbnails are the default green/black.

At the moment I can find where the default thumbnails are that Vegas refers to when creating these AppData versions, I'm not sure I will..

 

@Debbie-Whitmer Hi, I've just spent quite a while going through the thumbnails folders etc.

I think this is intentional, if you look at the green/black thumbnail it does sort of have a person on it in front of a screen. So I don't think there's anything to be 'fixed', it could be changed would prob be a more correct term.

If you go to this option in Preferences there's a folder - FX Thumbnails, you can change the thumbnail, but if this temp AppData is deleted, when Vegas reopens it recreates these thumbnails & uses the default thumbnail, ie the green/black thumbnail returns. Also even if you change all the green/black thumbnails in that folder new presets' thumbnails are the default green/black.

At the moment I can find where the default thumbnails are that Vegas refers to when creating these AppData versions, I'm not sure I will..

Hi @Gid - In just addressing the “Flying PiP” pictured icons which I have uploaded a screen shot here again from Vegas Pro 22 so you can quickly see it, you can see that there are 9 (nine) squares that do NOT have pictured eye icons.  However, you CAN see how the other pictured eye icons 11 (eleven) of them ARE there and those pictures plainly show a pictorial view of a DIRECTION in which when applied to a picture or video on the video track you know in advance what DIRECTION it will go because of the pictorial view that can be plainly seen. 

My question is this:  From a user’s point of view, would you agree that when you do NOT see the pictured icons, then it forces the user to have to pick each one of the 9 (nine) just to see what direction each one will go which is very time consuming but if ALL 20 of them had a directional pictured eye icon, the user could see plainly which DIRECTION each one will go and the user would pick the one he/she wants quickly and then move on to what the user has to do next?  I hope you see what I’m saying.  I think this needs to be corrected and ALL 20 of those squares need a DIRECTIONAL pictured eye icon so the user can see plainly what he’s dealing with pictorially in advance which will cause his/her video work flow to go faster. 

And by the way, if you hold your mouse over all of the 9 squares that do NOT have a pictured eye icon, it shows a FULL pictured eye icon which does NOT indicate which DIRECTION it will be going like the other 11 (eleven) ones DO which DO show a DIRECTION each one will take in advance pictorially. 

 

Honestly, I never gave it a thought. The description has always been enough for me to understand what is happening. Holding the mouse over the "blank" thumbnails show the "eye" being exposed left to right as in all the thumbnails in "Flying PiP". It's the same animation of the thumbnail.

Could there possibly be a better representation? Yes. But it hasn't impeded me at all.

The following image is of the chroma key FX thumbnails in Vegas Pro 20 -

... the thumbnail images are all exactly the same and thus provide no practical assistance in identifying the characteristics of each FX - only the titles under the thumbnails indicate their use. In the end, the absence of the 'eye' thumbnail images makes no difference - highlighting these chroma key thumbnails (without 'eye' images) in Vegas Pro 22 or in Vegas Pro 20 for that matter does not differentiate their use either - it only reveals an eye..

it looks like there's a total of 6 (six) missing pictured eye icons which are:

1. Chroma Keyer
2. Flying PIP
3. Motion Tracker
4. Slow Motion
5. Tiny Planet
6. Video Stabilization


 

@Debbie-Whitmer Could you explain how those missing eye icons should look like, to describe the mentioned Vegas FX chroma keyer, motion tracker, slow motion, tiny planet and video stabilisation (Flying PIP is a third party FX).

it looks like there's a total of 6 (six) missing pictured eye icons which are:

1. Chroma Keyer
2. Flying PIP
3. Motion Tracker
4. Slow Motion
5. Tiny Planet
6. Video Stabilization


 

@Debbie-Whitmer Could you explain how those missing eye icons should look like, to describe the mentioned Vegas FX chroma keyer, motion tracker, slow motion, tiny planet and video stabilisation (Flying PIP is a third party FX).

@3POINT - Hi there. I don't know what to say to describe what the missing eye icons should look like except to look at those visual pictures under the VideoFX tab in Vegas Pro 22 and Vegas would have to decide what they should look like. If there are 3rd party FX's, I guess there's nothing Vegas can do about it.

In Vegas 20 (which I use most of all), I think most of the pictured eye-icons are there. For example, in
Vegas Pro 20, under:

1. "Chromo Keyer", all 6 pictured eye icons are all there along with their titles.

2. "Flying PiP" 9 (nine) pictured eye-icons are also missing (even though the placement squares are there).

3. "Motion tracker" has 1 picture and it has the picture of an full eye (there is no indication there should be more pictures).

4. "Slow Motion" also has 1 picture and it has the picture of an full eye (there is no indication there should be more pictures).

5. "Tiny planet" has 4 pictures and they are weird-looking but they are supposed to look weird-looking because they distort when each individual one is applied to a picture or video which is a good thing because you can see immediately what the distortion will look like visually before you apply it which saves a lot of work time.

6. "Video stabilization" also has 1 picture and it has the picture of an full eye (there is no indication there should be more pictures).

I think that I have done all I can do in notifying Vegas of the pictured eye icons that are missing in Vegas Pro 22.0 (Build 250) in the categories previously mentioned including Chroma Keyer in my original post. You all have a good day!!

The following image is of the chroma key FX thumbnails in Vegas Pro 20 -

... the thumbnail images are all exactly the same and thus provide no practical assistance in identifying the characteristics of each FX - only the titles under the thumbnails indicate their use. In the end, the absence of the 'eye' thumbnail images makes no difference - highlighting these chroma key thumbnails (without 'eye' images) in Vegas Pro 22 or in Vegas Pro 20 for that matter does not differentiate their use either - it only reveals an eye..

@Dexcon - Yes, that is correct. However under the Video FX tab, the "Flying PiP" FX would make a difference because 11 (eleven) of them DO provide practical assistance in identifying each characteristic but 9 (nine) of them are left blank in both Vegas Pro 20 and Vegas Pro 22. I know that my original post was regarding FX Chroma Keyer but as I investigated more, I found more blank squares that provide NO practical assistance in identify each characteristics and it would be very favorable is all 22 each had their own characteristics. In "Flying PiP", I KNOW that holding your mouse over the blank square shows an eye BUT they are all FULL pictured EYES in those blank squares and that does not provide a demonstration with pictures like the other 11 (eleven) DO, for example, with the "tiny pictured eye" icons flying in the middle, another tiny one on the upper left-hand corner, another tiny one on the upper right corner, a tiny one showing one crooked in the middle, etc. I hope you see what I'm saying. But I'm just finding out through @3POINT that the "Flying PiP" is a third party FX! If that is the case, then I guess there is nothing Vegas can do about that.

But as far as the pictures being demonstrated under the Video FX tab, there are users, like me, who learn well through pictures rather than just a description used under a blank square and this is especially true for those who are beginners with Vegas Pro and do not know much about making videos.

Just as a side note to stress my point further, I learned how to crochet with no one teaching me but only through a PICTURE BOOK. And I learned how to play the guitar with no one teaching me but only through a PICTURE BOOK! If I had to learn these things with only words, it would not have happen for me! PICTURES speak volumes and they are great for fast training! Even Dr.'s use pictures in their training. We are all different and pictures, to me, would accommodate everyone! And it is wise to value what your customers are saying. Thank you everyone! 👍🙂

 

However under the Video FX tab, the "Flying PiP" FX would make a difference because 11 (eleven) of them DO provide practical assistance in identifying each characteristic but 9 (nine) of them are left blank in both Vegas Pro 20 and Vegas Pro 22. I know that my original post was regarding FX Chroma Keyer but as I investigated more, I found more blank squares that provide NO practical assistance in identify each characteristics and it would be very favorable is all 22 each had their own characteristics. In "Flying PiP", I KNOW that holding your mouse over the blank square shows an eye BUT they are all FULL pictured EYES in those blank squares and that does not provide a demonstration with pictures like the other 11 (eleven) DO, for example, with the "tiny pictured eye" icons flying in the middle, another tiny one on the upper left-hand corner, another tiny one on the upper right corner, a tiny one showing one crooked in the middle, etc. I hope you see what I'm saying.

I fully agree with you - the thumbnails that have useful images to indicate their usage should without doubt be showing.

But as far as the pictures being demonstrated under the Video FX tab, there are users, like me, who learn well through pictures rather than just a description used under a blank square ...

Yes, 'seeing' is an important method of adult learning, the others usually being hearing, reading and doing (esp. by repetition). My preference is seeing (e.g. YouTube tutorials) followed by doing.

Apologies if my earlier comment upset you in some way ... that was not my intention.

Maybe it's possible (in the future) that instead of showing a silly eye icon which tries to give you an indication of the effect, that like in Davinci Resolve, when you hover an effect in the effect list that you directly see the result of the effect on your media in the preview window.

However under the Video FX tab, the "Flying PiP" FX would make a difference because 11 (eleven) of them DO provide practical assistance in identifying each characteristic but 9 (nine) of them are left blank in both Vegas Pro 20 and Vegas Pro 22. I know that my original post was regarding FX Chroma Keyer but as I investigated more, I found more blank squares that provide NO practical assistance in identify each characteristics and it would be very favorable is all 22 each had their own characteristics. In "Flying PiP", I KNOW that holding your mouse over the blank square shows an eye BUT they are all FULL pictured EYES in those blank squares and that does not provide a demonstration with pictures like the other 11 (eleven) DO, for example, with the "tiny pictured eye" icons flying in the middle, another tiny one on the upper left-hand corner, another tiny one on the upper right corner, a tiny one showing one crooked in the middle, etc. I hope you see what I'm saying.

I fully agree with you - the thumbnails that have useful images to indicate their usage should without doubt be showing.

But as far as the pictures being demonstrated under the Video FX tab, there are users, like me, who learn well through pictures rather than just a description used under a blank square ...

Yes, 'seeing' is an important method of adult learning, the others usually being hearing, reading and doing (esp. by repetition). My preference is seeing (e.g. YouTube tutorials) followed by doing.

Apologies if my earlier comment upset you in some way ... that was not my intention.

@Dexcon - Hi there! Oh, no apologies necessary. I appreciate your responses. Just explaining how pictures really help me in so many ways. And, I'm just like you in watching YouTube tutorials and then doing what it says too! Anything visual is what I like! Have a great day!!

@Debbie-Whitmer This is a real shot in the dark but is something you might try. Uncheck "Use Alternate High DPI Settings" in your preferences. Details are here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-18-user-interface-thumbnail-button-strangeness--129123/

Good Luck,
...Jerry