cinema craft sp vs. mainconcept & Premier Plugins

williamconifer wrote on 2/14/2003, 11:35 AM
Pardon me if i am about to belabor a painfully obvious point here: I demoed the cinema craft sp 2.66 offline mpg encoder and was stunned how fast it was. I took an AVI that is 2:06 mins. and encoded using the CCE, CBR with a bit rate of 6k and it took just less than 2:00 mins to encode. I took the same AVI and opened it up in VV4 and encoded using the Mainconcept codec with the same specs and the time came in at 3:45 mins. That's a speed increase of 88%. CCE will run as a Plugin in Premier and will allow you to encode from the time line. I realize that encoding from the time line is affected by fx and transitions but I imagine there would still be a 88% advantage encoding with CCE vs Mainconcept.

I have never tried Premier but from what I have read I am lucky to be running Vegas. BUT how awesome it would be if we could run CCE as a plugin in Vegas. I know this is no simple matter and requires a comittment from many different parties but what a huge benifit! Maybe the work satish is doing with a plugin for plugins would solve this. My question is why isn't Sonic Foundry working on this? Steinberg developed the VST standard for audio plugins for Cubase, Wavelab and Nuendo and it was so popular and dominant that everyone else adopted it including SF in Acid 4. Is there a technical reason that this is impossible? I think if Vegas could use Premier plugs then more premier users would jump to vegas.

Sorry I got a bit ranty. BTW V4 is brilliant.

jack

Comments

CraigF wrote on 2/14/2003, 1:06 PM
I could be 100% incorrect, but I remember reading somewhere that the format served from the timeline is proprietary in Vegas. That's why the only MPEG encoder is the MainConcept version supplied by SoFo.

If this is true, then no 3rd party encoder plug-in would work.

If this isn't true, I'd like to see a FrameServe plugin so any encoder could be used, whether that is CCE, TMPGEnc, ProCoder, etc.

Craig
vonhosen wrote on 2/14/2003, 1:13 PM
Ah now your talking

V4 , frameserve to Procoder &

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=157827&Replies=1&Page=1
These extra features in DVDA
Paul_Holmes wrote on 2/14/2003, 1:52 PM
Well, after seeing the $1995 price tag on Cinema Encoder SP I think I'll stay happy that Sonic has included a quality encoder for free (albeit slower)!
Rain Mooder wrote on 2/14/2003, 2:40 PM
There is nothing stopping the MPEG codec manufacturers from requesting the
export plugin kit from SOFO. It requires an NDA, but it's no big deal to add export plugins to Vegas. I may yet get around to implementing a frameserver for Vegas. The problem isn't Vegas, it's the frameserving part. Creating a video filter/export filter for Vegas is far easier than trying to understand that frameserver interface of AviSynth.
williamconifer wrote on 2/15/2003, 1:55 AM
Ya the price is steep for the Cinema Encoder, but I would imagine that a pro that encodes alot would see a benefit. I was just shocked at the speed. I haven't tried procoder yet.
vonhosen wrote on 2/15/2003, 2:10 AM
You'll find Procoder quick, great quality & quite a bit cheaper than Cinema Craft.