cinescore

jrazz wrote on 9/2/2006, 5:41 PM

I think you miss the point of what Cinescore is for. Since my purchase of it (and free trial) I have used it a lot as I am no musician besides the casual guitar and trumpet playing. I have had acid a lot longer than Cinescore but have used it rarely because I don't want to spend the time to learn it and put the sounds together to make an actual song. Cinescore does this for you and you can dictate where and when the mood, tempo, etc changes.

Very good purchase and far from lame.

j razz

Spot|DSE wrote on 9/2/2006, 5:47 PM

No more lame than SonicFire Pro or stock music libraries.
Cinescore isn't aimed at music creators. If that's the message you got, then either it isn't spoken clearly enough or you missed the message.
Cinescore is for the videographer that makes video but has no knowledge of music other than he/she wants to have a score in his/her video without paying for a score, but wants more variation than canned music can offer. It's missing a few features I'd like to see it have, but as a 1.0 release, it's pretty sweet. I've used it on a couple of small, low-budget projects and the client was very pleased with it. The Vistas library is really sweet, IMO.

richard-courtney wrote on 9/2/2006, 6:07 PM

jrazz -

I am interested in how many creative people in Vegas universe also have at least
some music background. Even if it was just grade school band. I don't remember
too much about my high school music theory except "music is organized sound
moving through time". Cinescore is great for that quick music to cover dead time
or to polish a DVD menu you created.

DSE -
If you were a budding composer, what would be a good program?

EDIT: Sorry I didn't say YOUNG budding composer.......

Spot|DSE wrote on 9/2/2006, 6:13 PM

If I were a young, budding composer working in PC world, I'd look at ACID 6 and Cakewalk Sonar. Cubase is also quite good, but given the power of ACID loops plus softsynths in ACID 6, it's a rockin' combo, IMO.

auggybendoggy wrote on 9/2/2006, 6:28 PM

agree with that about sonar/cubase and acid
I use it with VST's like Atmosphere and stylus rmx and WOW.

agreed so it's not that lame, for me perhaps but not all programs are made for auggybendoggy : ) (just most) hahaha

I listened to the on line music for cinescore and they were soooooo bad. I'd never feature that music on a video : )

Aug

Serena wrote on 9/2/2006, 6:39 PM

Perhaps the promotions for Cinescore don't really show you its capabilities. I wasn't impressed and still haven't jumped into acquisition, but all the comments posted here by users are very encouraging. DSE is a well known composer and musician, so his tick is powerful support.

bStro wrote on 9/2/2006, 6:55 PM

i'm scratching my head

As I am. Please write more, 'cause I don't think your point was clearly made.

Why do you consider Cinescore "lame"?

Why should they put a "full limited working version" of Acid into Vegas instead, given that they're very different products for very diferent purposes? And what is a "full limited" version, anyhow?

For years, many Vegas users have turned to music generation programs such as SmartSound. I'm sure those people and many others will appreciate to have such a program from Sony -- not to mention the ability to soon use it as a plug-in.

Rob

farss wrote on 9/2/2006, 6:57 PM

As a SFPro user I'll also buy into Cinescore when I have the time to devote to it. After all a lot of this music is designed to work with moving images, by itself it might sound a bit lame but then again video without audio sounds pretty boring too.

I know a lot of it sounds like music for bad porn but what are you going to use as a bed for say a 30 minute training video on how to wash a car, Bolero?

Some of the greatest composers have come up short when it comes to writing music for movies, a lot of this Muzak for video is by design bland.

bStro wrote on 9/2/2006, 6:57 PM

I listened to the on line music for cinescore and they were soooooo bad.

If you say so. At any rate, they're only examples. The point of Cinescore is that you customize the arrangement to fit your project.

Rob

fldave wrote on 9/2/2006, 6:59 PM

I see a huge potential there for me. I can play my MP3 player pretty well.

I understand that the ability to tweak the settings results in much different output than their "samples" imply. That will lay a baseline track for me to add to, as needed.

And I also have ACID 3, 4 and the latest v6, which I will learn in all my spare time (i.e. very little). If you are an expert at ACID, move along, nothing to see here, unless you want to save some time.

Serena wrote on 9/2/2006, 7:29 PM

To actually get some idea of Cinescore you should do the tutorials on the Cinescore site. There you discover the flexibility of the system and the processes available for tailoring the music. In my opinion the purpose of film music is to enhance the images without intrusion, underscoring and reinforcing atmosphere. Obviously you can buy pre-recorded music that suits this purpose very well (e.g. Hark Productions and Twisted Tracks) but emphasis is not always where you want it. Cinescore gives you control, but of course using the Cinescore music libraries. Only in a music video would I think the music should dominate without reference to the images.

jrazz wrote on 9/2/2006, 7:32 PM

I am interested in how many creative people in Vegas universe also have at least

I played trumpet all through junior high and high school and then pawned that off for an Alveraz Artist Acoustic. I have been playing that for a good 8 years now or so just in the house. My wife is a very gifted singer (no exageration on that) and I will play and she will sing (as I have no singing gifts, talents, etc !) and we have some good times that way.
I kind of wish I didn't sell the trumpet. It was a two-toned (gold and silver) Boosey & Hawkins. Anyways, that's how it goes.

j razz

auggybendoggy wrote on 9/2/2006, 8:01 PM

I think my prob is simply that as an acid/cubase and gigastudio user this prog seems a bit useless.

I am retracting my "lame" statement cause I see theres a few people here who want cheezy music (kidding)...who want
this type of tool.

I guess I'm feeling that VV moving in a more musical/audio direction is a good thing. Perhaps I should take this as just that and hope for more for my own use.

as for a full limited version, I mean that the program is no time lime (full) with MOST (limited) of the functionality of the full acid program.

You guys are probably right about knowing more about it. I'll dig in those manuals and tut's to get a better idea for it and perhaps I'll be excited : ) who knows.

Aug

fldave wrote on 9/2/2006, 8:10 PM

Vegas was originally an audio tool.

Serena wrote on 9/2/2006, 9:20 PM

Aug, would you mind repeating that?

bStro wrote on 9/2/2006, 9:34 PM

I guess I'm feeling that VV moving in a more musical/audio direction is a good thing.

Heh. I dare you to go say that on the Vegas - Audio forum.

Let's just say that the general population there will disagree that Vegas is "moving in a more musical / audio direction." Strongly.

Rob

randy-stewart wrote on 9/2/2006, 10:07 PM

Folks,
Found a good example of Cinescore ability/flexibility. This was done by DSE in about 30 minutes (whole edit) for a friend. Here's the link: http://www.skydiveutah.com/video/JackB-day.wmv . I'm impressed with Cinescore flexibility to set the mood and adjust with hints to keep up with the tempo and changes. Cinescore is just what I need to help me create music without knowing much about how to do it.
Randy

JJKizak wrote on 9/3/2006, 5:52 AM

For the limited amount of time I have used Cinescore I am very impressed with the amount of time it saves. Your in charge of an "electronic band", not a real one. So your not going to get "Yesterday" out of it today. The timeline flexibility is outstanding considering it has to make some kind of music from 10 seconds of selection to 10 hours.
JJK

DrLumen wrote on 9/3/2006, 6:25 AM

"...music for bad porn but what are you going to use as a bed..." Punny! ;-)

I don't think the premise for Cinescore is lame. From what I have heard in the demo themes and clips on the web page, there are a couple that sound ok. The actual app is easy to use and powerful. I have no doubt it would be useful and save a lot of time and expense when just needing some non-descript background music.

What I do find a bit lame is that all the clips I have heard (I'm sure I have not heard all of them) are all synth'ed. Even the orchestral clips were synth'ed. I can do synth... I wish they had gone the full route with actual recordings. IMHO, it has too many electronica type themes. Then, to have a cinematic/orchestral theme also electronically created is (for lack of a better word) cheap.

richard-courtney wrote on 9/3/2006, 9:23 AM

I think it would be hard for any software to use recordings and change the tempo
(speed) without changing the pitch of the instruments. I have always wanted to
take piano lessons just so that I could purchase and use a synth. My wife
has some piano but we can't justify a Clavinova.

richard-courtney wrote on 9/3/2006, 9:30 AM

Played trumpet until jr. high then switched to trombone.
Wife piano and clarinet.

Both decided not to pursue music after high school. (perhaps a mistake)

Spot|DSE wrote on 9/3/2006, 10:25 AM

Geez, Randy...couldn't you have linked to a better-edted project? :-)
This one was captured and edited in an airplane hangar over the course of 30 mins. I wanted edits long to play with Cinescore, but somewhat overcompensated, so the clips are all too long.
But...the scoring aspect took all of 5 mins total for all 4 cut elements in the piece, and the client was happy, so..I guess it doesn't matter how badly it sucks.

randy-stewart wrote on 9/3/2006, 7:22 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to catch you with your hangar door open ;-).
Randy
P.S. Edit looks good to me.

busterkeaton wrote on 9/3/2006, 9:17 PM

If you can do synth, perhaps you are above the intended user level for this product.

Would it possible to get the same flexibility and options you have in Cinescore, if you did a orhcestral source recording?