Poor design, really poor. Not ready for prime time. designed by software engineers for software engineers, not actual users.
Fluff for the marketing dept.

I can get decent work done with the already existing Vegas tools combined with some third party stuff, like 3d Lut creator and AAV color lab.

The fine adjustment with the CTRL key works great. I do not see where here should be a poor design at all.

Try the Resolve interface, same sort of layout, but much more elegant feel in the interface.

I tried with the control key, not great.

Why not the CNT key for more gross movements? almost everything you do in color is minor tweaks. Also. takes up your whole screen, not un-dockable. No body test drives these things, that's what it seems to me. You think I'm the only one saying this???

I thought it looked great, coming out, very Davinci like, which is a good layout, so I will give them that. So I was really quite optimistic about it, but I find myself just not using it, it is a bit of a PITA AFAIC, at least the way they programmed the interface, clunky to me. YMMV.

I personally think it would be great to have the panel be dockable and resizeable, and I've made that known to the team, and I also think that ctrl for finer movements and maybe ctrl+shift for even finer grain control would be nice. The panel isn't perfect, but is a huge leap forward over the previous tools, which I rarely ever use anymore.

However, "No body test drives these things, that's what it seems to me. " couldn't be farther from the truth. Vegas gets tested by real pros in real world editing situations. Even that isn't going to result in it being perfect, but you can trust that Vegas isn't just a bunch of non-editor software engineers trying to give us what they think we need.

Holding the +CTRL works the way it does in most Vegas Plugins for the most part. There still is an issue in color grading when moving a control back and forth. A lag which should be able to easily be removed.

However, "No body test drives these things, that's what it seems to me. " couldn't be farther from the truth. Vegas gets tested by real pros in real world editing situations. Even that isn't going to result in it being perfect, but you can trust that Vegas isn't just a bunch of non-editor software engineers trying to give us what they think we need.

Of course, in a reasonable, real world, it's not "reasonable" to expect that no one on the "team" ever tried to use the tools. My statement ends with:"that's what it seems to me."

The observation (not test driven) may appear to be, and is, at some level hyperbole, (with an element of truth)

- or it may simple represent "the truth" as per, as an experienced user, one asks 'who could have test driven/"ok'd" this' as bad as it is?'

There can be, of course -- by way of "explanation" -- factors, especially time, especially lack of resources, (short on great programmers) or some sort of combination (great programmer, pushed to produce with not enough time) but this launch cannot be considered -- in my fairly qualified-to-comment estimation -- "ready for prime time."

One can, I suppose, come up with a variety of explanations, but the truth is the truth.

People, go ahead and disagree. I gave you the "yardstick." Test drive Davinci Resolve, same basic interface

concept/graphics. If you try that and see no qualitative difference, I'm a monkey's uncle. I'm not even talking about ultimate results, just how it "drives."
 

Try the Resolve interface, same sort of layout, but much more elegant feel in the interface.

No need for that, since I use Resolve since version 12. I know quite well how Resolve works. But I am also Aware that Resolve is a grading application.

I tried with the control key, not great.

I came to another conclusion when I tested that during betatesting. WITHOUT the ctrl+mouse it would be to rough but in the combination it is complete fine.

Why not the CNT key for more gross movements? almost everything you do in color is minor tweaks.

That is not always true. Sometimes you need also rough adjustments in the beginning, and then fine tweaks. That are two steps where it is helpfull to have different Tools.

Also. takes up your whole screen, not un-dockable. No body test drives these things, that's what it seems to me. You think I'm the only one saying this???

It would be nice to have that dockable. But it was introduced as a new tool only with the beginning of Vegas Pro 17 only, so it is brand new. While it it possible to rant all the time it would be also possible to appreciate that we  have now such a greading tool in Vegas too, WHAT is a great improvement.

And both the developers but also the beta team test that for sure. So how can you believe that nobody tests things if you simple do no know? And I have seen your "what it seems" part too.

Let's see some of your graded work. I quit using it because it is a PITA, and I use coloring a lot, and I have enough aggravation with other parts of the program. I found more elegant solutions.

Resolve is now, much MORE than a grading application. Many are leaving Premiere, especially, for Reslove, because of the progress in it's editing and audio (Fairlight) and they have effects/compositing (Fusion) as well, and sophisticated.

You can't tell me, not with a straight face anyway, that it works as smoothly, interface wise, as Resolve. If so, you'd be the first, and congratulations, the designers had YOU in mind, (and not too many others).

I am not here to BASH Vegas, nor to extoll other programs, and I am glad, and actually was exited about the prospect..... they tried to do something, but for me, It's not there yet, and if it feel clunky,

(Why should I have to Cntrol/mouse to manipulate the wheel? I don't in Davinci. If you're doing a lot of grading, that is just a PITA after a while....sorry...) Vegas, NEVER can get ariound to offering programable mouse routines, another PITA, at least for me, and that symbolizes a lot of the "that's good enough" attitude, let's get onto bells and whistles when the interface still lacks the elegance a tool like this NEEDS to really be more effective and in the pro arsenal of tools....Sorry you don't agree.

I'm not interested.. I will, and I have, found other solutions, so I'm happy. I hope to RETURN to the Vegas color grade solution, when it feels right. Please don't tell me how it feels to me, I have my sensibilities, you have yours.....go with your's ....I ain't mad atcha....... Your mileage may vary, as we say in the USA.

Just for the record, I'm not upset with the developers, they're doing their best. I want MAGIX, if your listening, to quit FOOLING around with this program and put some muscle into this and make it the elegant solution it can and needs to be. Certainly video editing has a lot of technical challenges, formats, hardware, and I get all of that. But the iphone like elegance in the interface is what is needed, as well as zippier playback and timeline response. Developers can't do all of that with a limited budget, so Magix, crap or get off the pot. You made a good decision, to buy Vegas, now do the program right. Get a John Rofrano, or an Andrew Devis or Douglass Spotted Eagle or all three on the team and work on the interface and aesthetics of the program.....you'll sell a zillion if you do. You limp along if you don't.

Too much negativity from you zdogg. The new color grading feature is a progressive step forward, and i love its implementation.... Yes, it may be a bit rough around the edges, but so it is with new features added to a software and becomes fine tuned with updates & improvements over time.

You say you are not here to bash Vegas, but that is exactly what you are doing...Ok, you found better solutions using Resolve, fine, Stick to what works for you..... What you are putting forward is not constructive criticism one bit.

The color grading tool, I agree needs work. Functionality it's great, all the tools are there you need. But the biggest issue we find is even with CTRL the movement isn't fine enough. Just trying to make really subtle tweaks to skin tone for example, can be frustrating. The color wheels in the standard color correction plugin are far more subtle - would be really nice if they dialed them back a bit in sensitivity. It would also be nice to have a 'dropper tool' of some kind, again like the existing color correction, so that you can specify what should be white. The 'auto white balance' understandable, only works if there's enough white in the frame. So having an option to manually select what is white would be really slick. Even if you're shooting with a colour checker, you really have no way to tell the grading tools what's what. The other problems I have with it - it doesn't save with your window layout. Or at least, it doesn't for us on both of our edit suites. So every time it starts, I have to enable it, and when I do, it resets my window layout - so I have to go back and select my layout again. Every time. Super annoying - I've sent a note to customer service about it. Love Vegas, love that they've added this functionality, just needs some improvements!