Has anyone (BillyBoy maybe...hint hint) used the tools in VV4 to remove the improper color registration which can occur under the stage lighting of night scenes in plays.
I am ABLE to remove it and/or it is barely noticeable in the DV master. It's in the VHS dupe where it really shows. VHS cannot handle the color saturation that DV, digiBeta, and particularly film can. However, I refuse to accept that almost all color must be removed from the master in such scenes to avoid this phenomenon in my dupes.
The effect is a ghostly shadow next to an actor's face and body particularly when wearing anything in the red family. The histograms, scopes etc. seem irrelevant in rendering a pleasing and colorful effect in dark stage scenes (without spotlights). The majority of the waveform must be to the left under such conditions which cancels out the use of scopes. It seems that it has to be eyeballed on an external monitor, then a prerendered loop section sent to VHS via firewire and then played on 3-4 different TV's to evaluate. And that's for each minor adjustment. I sometimes spend 50-60 hours of such experimentation for a 5 minute scene and either accidently get it right of settle for something ALMOST acceptable due to frustration.
The vast majority of my business is a final product in VHS. A very limited amount is DVD. Much of that has to do with the fact that stage productions are primarily what I shoot. Rarely do I get cooperative directors or choreographers who will let me make lighting decisions. In order to keep my customers I have to then spend endless hours trying to make "artsy" lighting look good on video.....or in many cases NO LIGHTING, or a singer's head with a 10,000 watt spot on it while the rest of his body is in the dark.
For all my complaining, my results are actually pretty good, but I am still really having a tough time with the original problem I stated above (before the ranting).
Can anyone give me some very specific steps to solve this problem? Remember, the problem is in the dupes and not so much the DV master.
And yes, I am using S-Video and good duplication decks, and good cables, etc etc.
Thanks in advance.,
John
I am ABLE to remove it and/or it is barely noticeable in the DV master. It's in the VHS dupe where it really shows. VHS cannot handle the color saturation that DV, digiBeta, and particularly film can. However, I refuse to accept that almost all color must be removed from the master in such scenes to avoid this phenomenon in my dupes.
The effect is a ghostly shadow next to an actor's face and body particularly when wearing anything in the red family. The histograms, scopes etc. seem irrelevant in rendering a pleasing and colorful effect in dark stage scenes (without spotlights). The majority of the waveform must be to the left under such conditions which cancels out the use of scopes. It seems that it has to be eyeballed on an external monitor, then a prerendered loop section sent to VHS via firewire and then played on 3-4 different TV's to evaluate. And that's for each minor adjustment. I sometimes spend 50-60 hours of such experimentation for a 5 minute scene and either accidently get it right of settle for something ALMOST acceptable due to frustration.
The vast majority of my business is a final product in VHS. A very limited amount is DVD. Much of that has to do with the fact that stage productions are primarily what I shoot. Rarely do I get cooperative directors or choreographers who will let me make lighting decisions. In order to keep my customers I have to then spend endless hours trying to make "artsy" lighting look good on video.....or in many cases NO LIGHTING, or a singer's head with a 10,000 watt spot on it while the rest of his body is in the dark.
For all my complaining, my results are actually pretty good, but I am still really having a tough time with the original problem I stated above (before the ranting).
Can anyone give me some very specific steps to solve this problem? Remember, the problem is in the dupes and not so much the DV master.
And yes, I am using S-Video and good duplication decks, and good cables, etc etc.
Thanks in advance.,
John