Combustion vs. After Effects

adguy31 wrote on 5/10/2004, 4:18 PM
I have been using combustion for the last five months, still waiting on The Street Productions to finish their training DVD set and am getting frustrated. I have talked with a number of people who have said that I should have purchased After Effects. I thought I would talk to my Vegas buddies to see what they have/have not used, what is experienced and what is heard. Thanks and I look forward to any advice you can provide.

Seth

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farss wrote on 5/10/2004, 4:30 PM
I've never used either but Discreet certainly have more creds at the pointy end of the business. I don't think either of them are easy to learn but what they do isn't easy either so thats just a fact of life.
Spot|DSE wrote on 5/10/2004, 4:56 PM
Combustion is harder than AE, and I don't know it anywhere near as well as I wish I did....but it's a stronger and more used tool in the big leagues than AE for a reason...It's better. Kino Gil spent a whole day teaching me how to light with Combustion and I still don' thave it down well. And he's one of the Combustion guru's.
filmy wrote on 5/10/2004, 5:38 PM
I use After Effects. It has a learning curve as well as any other product does. I have not used Combustion - but if it matters I used to edit on a D/Vision NLE (Which I still have actually) and that sort of went under and was purchased by a company in Canada who did nothing with and than was resold and re-emerged under the Discreet product line as Edit. (And as other software was bought up the Edit line is gone but it's modules have been morphed into other software) And that seems the be what Discreet is doing - buying up other software and putting it out there. I am not saying it isn't good, I am just saying they take already exisiting software and remold it to their product line. (Oh...shudder...SoFo to Sony...oh shudder. Vegas becomes like "Sony XPRI-Smoke 1" or something. LOL)

Anyhow - I use AE and I like it. Lots of plug-ins out there for it, lots of info out there, lots of training out there. Overall the Discreet line is finding its way into much more...I guess, "higher end" places. Many, if not all, of the plug-ins out there for AE also come in Combustion flavors anymore. I would think the learning curve is greater with the Discreet stuff only because it isn't so "easy" to acess learning material. Having said that it does not mean you can not turn out professional results with only Combustion. You can do it with AE as well. (And Vegas to for that matter). But if you want to hop over to most any book store, and some non-book stores, you will probably find some sort of help book for an Adobe product. It is not as easy for Discreet products.

EDIT - in looking around the discreet site I found this:
In 1997 D-Vision 3.0, later to become edit*, debuted at NAB and took home top honors from magazine editors who praised its features, options, usability and performance as secondto none in the new media arena. It was, and is, a breakthrough desktop editing application. [SNIP] Add the considerable commitment to excellence that Discreet brings to all of its products and edit* is the fastest, most stable and robust nonlinear editing application to be found on any desktop system. [SNIP] And if you added paint* and effect* to your edit* system - effect* offers 2D and 3D compositing, animation, color correction, keying, sophisticated and highly accurate motion tracking, ray trace drop shadows and After

it goes on to hype the system and adds in this - edit*, paint* and effect* are powerful applications that are enhanced in a networked environment. Turning the digital production studio into a networked production facility will allow creative professionals to work side by side on the same job or on different jobs. In short, networked production systems can help producers and boutique post houses deliver a better product and generate more income doing it.

This is really great stuff and you have to look at what Vegas 5 now offers for a tiny, tiny fraction of what edit* cost. Also - the last comment in the hype of why one should purchase an edit* system is a pretty funny statement:

Discreet customers can have total confidence that we will be here tomorrow, next week, next year and well into the future.

Why is this funny? Support page for edit* says - Following the discontinuation of edit* product sales in June 2002, please be advised that technical support for edit has been discontinued as of August 31st 2003
rdolishny wrote on 5/10/2004, 6:36 PM
filmy that was a great run down memory lane for me. I freelance on a number of Discreet Edits in Toronto and as a long-time Edit user it's been a rough ride. I will say this, though, if any of you are using Vegas and are more interested in the "editing" part of editing you should find a Discreet editor and buy him/her a coffee and have them show you what this system could do. Where it lacked in bells and whistles it more than made up for it in terms of STABILITY, speed and joy of use.

People say to me "why are you cutting on an obsolete system" and I say I'd rather drive a three year of Porsche than a 2004 Pontiac Aztec with all the bells and whistles (sorry any Aztec owners, but my personal opinion is that it's an ugly car). But I'm sure we get the Porsche analogy.

So if I use software that cost $12,000 in it's time why do a rave about Vegas? How about stability, speed and joy of use. What it does it does very well. Add some functionality in the editorial department (until you've seen playing and scrubbing clips in a bin you haven't really enjoyed editing) and Vegas will be my system of choice.

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Sidebar within the AE/Combustion thread: I use Combustion and love it. But I'm a 3D designer so the discreet workspace fit very well with me. Combustion is tough to learn and some people just don't get it. But for $999 it's a tremendous value and most AE plugins work in C perfectly. AE you can pick up on your own eventually - C forces you to learn it's workflow making it harder to fool around with.