1. What if I were to use both together?

2. If I control + drag an event, how do I get it back to it original length? (normal speed)

Also, say I have 3 clips on the timeline butted up together in order. If I take the right edge of the middle clip and control + drag the edge, it's right edge is now BEHIND the 3rd clip.

3. How do I grab the right edge of the 2nd clip and bring it back to it's original place without moving the 3 clip?

If you want a constant speed change between 25% and 400%, use CTRL-Drag. If you want a variable speed change OR speeds from 25% to 0% (freeze frame) to -100% (full reverse), use Velocity Envelope. See the article in Vegas Tips, Trick, and Scripts concerning changing speeds.


1. It works just fine. Allows for speed increases up to 12x instead of 3x (velocity env) or 4x (ctrl drag)

2. CTRL-Drag back to its original size. You can also change the playback rate to 1 in properties but it will NOT resize the clip back to the original size.

3. Simply resize it without holding CTRL (of course, some of the footage will be lost)

I'm thoroughly confused yet again!

I'll focus specifically on my questions #2 and #3 and your responses to them.

REMEMBER: I have 3 clips on the timeline butted up together in order. If I take the right edge of the middle clip and control + drag the edge, it's RIGHT EDGE is now BEHIND the 3rd clip.

MY QUESTION #2: "If I control + drag an event, how do I get it back to it original length? (normal speed)"

YOUR RESPONSE: "CTRL-Drag back to its original size. You can also change the playback rate to 1 in properties but it will NOT resize the clip back to the original size."

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DO THAT: I can't control + drag it back to it's original size because it won't allow me to "grab" the right edge (because it's BEHIND clip #3). Also, if I just click the clip and control + drag it...it creates a duplicate clip (which is now partially BEHIND clip #1)

MY QUESTION #3: 3. How do I grab the right edge of the 2nd clip and bring it back to it's original place without moving the 3 clip?

YOUR RESPONSE: 3. Simply resize it without holding CTRL (of course, some of the footage will be lost)

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DO THAT: I'm not able to do that for the same reasons as my question #2.

THIS STUFF DRIVES ME MORE CRAZY EVERY DAY!

ok, I'll try and confuse you a bit more.

You CAN drag the edge of a clip when it ovelaps another clip - just zoom in close enough to pick it up accurately. Because it now forms the end of a transition you will see the quadrant icon instead of the usual edge icon - that may be misleading you.

Hold Ctrl while you drag it, and watch for the zigzag along the thumbnail to disappear - this means it's back to its original length.

IMPOSSIBLE! CAN'T DO IT!

There isn't a "quadrant icon"! I was zoomed in all the way!

If that's all that causeing you so much grief why not just temporarily move clip#3 out of the way, either move it to a video track above or below ot just slide it to the right so its not in front of Clip#2.

Peter is right, you should still be able to grab the edge but sometimes its difficult to get the pointer at just the right place, I usually find its easier to move something out of the way.

Like any of any of lifes complex task mostly its all about planning and work flow, somehow our brains learn how to do things the easy way. That's why it takes me four times longer than it takes a pro to do something,

I shouldn't have to create a new video track to move clip #3 just so I can make a simple trim!

I'd agree with that!

But as you move the pointer over the end of the event your trying to trim it will change shape, I must admit I sometimes don't do that and find I'm moving the composite level instead of the end of the event. Making the tracks bigger is a definate help.

But it does work, I do it all the time.

If your still haveing grief with it, I can help you once I've had diner and my current render finishes in about 30 mins.

You can email me at:

farss@optusnet.com.au

Bob Grant

I GIVE UP! 100%! It can't be done! I've been trying for 30 minutes! Maybe you guys just don't know what the heck I"m talking about!

Zippy,
I've been sitting here for the last few hours doing just that, man I'd post you a picture if I knew how to send it to you.

Is it just the end of an event that you've time stretched that your having the trouble with or is it overlaping events (read transitions) in general that are causing you all the angst?

I haven't tried triming a time strectched event that overlaps but have no issue with normal events so maybe we're missing / overlooking a vital aspect of your problem here!

I'm also unable to see why Zippy's having problems. The only thing I can think of is that he's dragging the end of clip 2 to coincide exactly with the end of clip 3, in which case, I don't think you can grab hold of the end of clip 2 since you'll grab the end of clip 3.

Scott

Zippy,
well i just tried it myself and it works just fine!

I put two 60 sec events on the time line, ctl+drag end of first one to 90secs then moved second one to overlap end of first event by 12 seconds ie 12 sec transition between the two starting at 90 secs and finishing at 102 secs.
With me so far?
So I want to change the speed of the first one. Move pointer to 102 secs on time line, about halfway up vid track and I get a little upper left quadrant icon and a little box that says "Fade offset 0:00:12:00", hold down ctl+ drag left until squiggly line disapears in first event and hey presto its back to 100%.

If I don't hold down ctl and just drag, I can trim the event so it just line up with the start of the second one or whatever.

sometimes when clips are stacked on the timeline all on 1 track, and is too far from the in point of another clip there is no transition just a clip on top of another clip.
Zippy:
try this... go to clip #3 beginning and type M for a marker, then slide clip 3 to the right exposing clip 2 entirely, place clip 2 where you need it to go, and slide clip 3 back into pace at the marker you created. Then no longer needing the marker in place you can delete it. Should be a fast work around to the problem you are describing.

You certainly have "automatic crossfades" enabled. Try doing what you just described without a crossfade (or any transition) between the events and you will see my problem.

Also, don't do anything to the second clip. Just control + drag the END of the first clip so that it is somewhere BEHIND (in the middle of) the 2nd clip. In fact you don't have to even control + drag it, you can normally drag it and have the same problem.

Zippy,

Everything works fine here and, yes, I DO have auto crossfades turned on. However, as other have suggested, if you DON'T have auto crossfades turned on, you can always move the other event out of the way. I personally never turn off auto crossfades and have to ask: Why would you want to?

Again. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO MOVE ANYTHING! And I DON'T WANT AUTO CROSSFADES ON!

What I'm asking to to isn't possible right? (unless of course I turn auto crossfades on and/ or create new tracks and drag and blah blah blah)

How about if you trim the event shorter first with a simple drag to the left, then slow it down with a Ctrl-Drag to the right? That way you shouldn't ever have it end up behind the next event.

Have we missed something simple in the first instance of dragging clip two out to have had Ripple edit turned on?

That's fine and dandy, but I'm talking about a clip (2nd clip) that is ALREADY BEHIND the 3rd clip.

If you have automatic crossfades off and you drag the end of an event behind another then you will have no direct access to the end of it. VV will see it as irrelevant because there is now a cut at the overlap point.

Every software, MS Word, Autocad, Photoshop works the same way in effect. You have hidden a behind b so its now irrelevant. In your instance however its not entirely irrelevant because you might still need to move the end of the event to change its speed.

So life sucks but in the end things have to work a consistent way, that way has pluses and minuses, there is never a perfect solution.

If I am going to have an event that I'm changing the velocity / duration on I'D HAVE IT ON ANOTHER TRACK!

So what now farss? Now that you know what I'm talking about, what do I do?

Cry & feel sorry for yourself or Deal and move on!

I'm afraid that any other suggestion will provoke another stubborn "Again, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO MOVE ANYTHING! And I DON'T WANT AUTO CROSSFADES ON!" response.

Your courtesy is so inviting.