Cookie cutter keyframe gone south

TeetimeNC wrote on 1/14/2010, 9:48 AM
Has anyone seen this weird problem?

The Problem
I set a cookie cutter keyframe. It is the last keyframe for this cookie cutter on the timeline. I have triple checked this. If I move to the next frame the cut away section shifts position and size (although the keyframe parms remain the same), like it is corrupted. And the range of available movement is suddenly very limited.

In the screen shots below you can see that I have set the last keyframe to Hold for this test, but it also occurs with linear.

What I've Tried
I tried setting quantisize to frames on/off - no difference. Smoothness is set to zero. Rebooted - no difference. I have 6GB ram, Vegas Ram Preview is set to 64. I'm running Vista 64, but this is Vegas 9c 32 bit. The 64 bit version remains less stable for me than the 32 bit version.

Any ideas what might be causing this? It only became a problem when I added the 3rd cookie cutter to this one clip. I have dozens of other clips from the same camera and haven't had any problems with the others. The footage is divx.

Jerry


NOTE: In these screen shots, the red rectangle is the cutaway from the cookie cutter.




Comments

Grazie wrote on 1/14/2010, 11:58 AM
You haven't "revealed" the extreme far RIGHT of the Cookie Cutter Keyframe Timeline? Are you absolutely sure you haven't a "rogue" K/F snuck in there? - Which in truth would be a REAL bizzarean as you have a HOLD k/f., so what SHOULD happen is that at least the anomaly should HOLD till you get to it!??

Grazie
TeetimeNC wrote on 1/14/2010, 12:37 PM
Yeah, I'm absolutely sure there are no keyframes to the right. After posting I started thinking maybe it was something with this one clip, but I've tried working on two others and they exhibit the same problem. I created a new track and copied an event that had worked before, and put a single cookie cutter in it. After about 2 or three keyframes I started getting the behavior.

I also lowered Preview Ram to 16, and installed the most current Dvix codec. No joy.

It is hard to tell whether it is Divx or Vegas or a combination of the two. Here are a few additional observations:

1. I can tell each time I am going to have the problem keyframe because all of a sudden the preview window doesn't update until you are one frame past the latest keyframe. Normally it udates immediately as the new keyframe is written.

2. All of the clips I am working with were trimmed in the trimmer and then inserted on the timeline.

3. I'm using Vegas 9c 32 bit, but in 64 bit all the media is shown as offline - I assume this means divx codec doesn't work in 64 bit.

4. This project has a lot of cookie cutter keyframes, and the trouble just started - perhaps it is a memory issue. I am going to pull the problem clips into a new veg and see if I still have the problem. My bet is I won't.

Back later...
TeetimeNC wrote on 1/14/2010, 1:11 PM
I split the project into two halves. Still had the problem so I'm not hopeful to get this resolved today. Instead, I am going to transcode the Dvix and swap out the footage in the project.

Jerry
TeetimeNC wrote on 1/15/2010, 10:00 AM
In case anyone else experiences this, I was able to work around the problem by breaking the project into four small segments, do the cookie cutter edits, and then reassemble the segments into a new veg via copy/paste. Even in the small segments I sometimes had the haywire CC keyframes but if I deleted the offending kf's and sometimes a few of the previous ones, I could get it to continue. It also may be coincidental but the problem only started after I switched from using the circle preset to the rectangle preset. I did finish the project using the circle preset so perhaps this was a factor. I have sent all this to SCS.

Jerry
TeetimeNC wrote on 1/27/2010, 11:14 AM
I submitted this to SCS again after my first post went to cyber heaven. I received a quick response back that, in fact, Vegas doesn't support DivX as is documented here and this type of behavior can happen when you try editing DivX.

Jerry