Could this be done in Vegas??????????

shogo wrote on 3/29/2003, 3:52 AM
I have an idea for a shot where the video flies in like a piece of paper lands on a table could be generated media or just a picture of one and when the video hits the imaginary table it freezes into a still at that last frame. Like turning into a picture then having other videos do the same thing one after the other but stacking slightly off the previous picture/video so the old one's corners show. Is that something any of you have done I would owe you dearly if someone could help get this out of my head and into a finished product!

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Grazie wrote on 3/29/2003, 5:48 AM
Woah! Neat idea . . . I'm watching this thread for the feedback.

It's gotta be something to be done with Satish's 3D stuff. Also do you want the "older" videos to continue - yeah?

I'm sure we will get it done. Interesting.

Grazie
GrizzlyIke wrote on 3/29/2003, 6:03 AM
This idea rings a bell. I believe some one asked about photos flying in and stacking. This would be well before Vegas 4.0, maybe as much as a year ago. Did you try to search this forum? Just don't know what to search under. Good luck.
Grizzly Ike
Grazie wrote on 3/29/2003, 6:47 AM
Grizzy - Is this it? Dated: 3/14/2002! Nearl a year ago . . Good memory!!

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=95359

Wadya fink?

Grazie
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/29/2003, 10:07 AM
This can be done with Satish’s 3D LE plugin. If all the clips you want to use are the same length it becomes quite easy. Just make the first one float down the bottom and then use Paste Event Attributes to copy the float to the other clips on other tracks. Here is a step by step once you add 3D LE to the clip:

1. Make the clip smaller by adjusting the Scale X/Y (I used .40)
2. Use Rotate X in a negative direction to tilt the clip back in space (I used –50)
3. Use Rotate Z to tilt the clip in the direction of its first downward movement. (I used –25)
4. Use Position X in the negative to fly the clip off the left side of the screen.
5. Create a new keyframe and move Position X positive to fly the clip to the right side of the screen
6. Use Rotate Z in the positive to change its direction for the float back to the left (I used +25)
7. Create a new keyframe and move Position X negative to fly the clip back to the left.
8. Use Rotate Z in the negative to change its direction for the float back to the right (I used –25)
9. Repeat steps 5 thru 8 until you have floated the clip to the bottom of the screen.

You can see how by keyframing Position X and Rotate Z it is very easy to float the clip to the bottom of the screen. Just use Copy and Paste Event Attributes on the next clip to give it the same float. Now stagger these clips on multiple tracks and they will all float to the bottom of the screen. Adjust the last keyframe so that it ends just above the last one for a nice stacking effect. You can also adjust Position Y along the way to make it fall faster.

I just added this to the Vegas tips section of my web site where you can also get the FloatingPages.veg file to see how its done. Enjoy. ;-)

~jr
Grazie wrote on 3/29/2003, 11:00 AM
JR - Brilliant! I knew Satish would be in there somewhere . . .
Erk wrote on 3/29/2003, 11:05 AM
Johnny Roy,

What a great .veg! Many thanks for making that one.

G
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/29/2003, 11:43 AM
My pleasure. I learn a lot from you guys. Just trying to give something back. :) I couldn’t have done it without Satish’s great plugin.

BTW, a slight adjustment on Rotate Y (positive on some and negative on others) on the last keyframe will make the pile look messy and more natural so the edges show more. I think that's what the original effect was going for. I've adjusted the veg file to do this.

~jr
shogo wrote on 3/29/2003, 12:52 PM
See that's why I love vegas awesome program and great people to help out. For support like this you would have to pay an anuual support plan with other companies and even then I don't think you get the first hand experiance. I haven't tried it yet but will keep all informed.
Thanks.
MyNameIsJim wrote on 3/29/2003, 11:27 PM
Great veg, JohnnyRoy! I added a "Horizontal Only" "Wave" FX to create a rippling effect to the floating pages. This gives it a more natural look (IMHO). Try adding the FX and then creating the following keyframe entries to the first "page", then copy to the others:


Keyframe @ 00:00:00:00
Vertical waves: 0.000
Horizontal waves: 5.140
Vertical amplitude: 0.000
Horizontal amplitude: 0.040
Vertical phase: 0.000
Horizontal phase: 0.800

Keyframe @ 00:00:00:29
Vertical waves: 0.000
Horizontal waves: 1.900
Vertical amplitude: 0.000
Horizontal amplitude: 0.040
Vertical phase: 0.000
Horizontal phase: 0.800

Keyframe @ 00:00:02:00
Vertical waves: 0.000
Horizontal waves: 3.800
Vertical amplitude: 0.000
Horizontal amplitude: 0.040
Vertical phase: 0.000
Horizontal phase: 0.800

Keyframe @ 00:00:02:29
Vertical waves: 0.000
Horizontal waves: 2.470
Vertical amplitude: 0.000
Horizontal amplitude: 0.040
Vertical phase: 0.000
Horizontal phase: 0.800

Keyframe @ 00:00:03:15
Vertical waves: 0.000
Horizontal waves: 1.710
Vertical amplitude: 0.000
Horizontal amplitude: 0.000
Vertical phase: 0.000
Horizontal phase: 0.800

Keyframe @ 00:00:03:25
Vertical waves: 0.000
Horizontal waves: 1.520
Vertical amplitude: 0.000
Horizontal amplitude: 0.000
Vertical phase: 0.000
Horizontal phase: 0.800

Keyframe @ 00:00:04:01
Vertical waves: 0.000
Horizontal waves: 3.040
Vertical amplitude: 0.033
Horizontal amplitude: 0.015
Vertical phase: 0.000
Horizontal phase: 0.800

Keyframe @ 00:00:05:00
Vertical waves: 0.000
Horizontal waves: 0.380
Vertical amplitude: 0.000
Horizontal amplitude: 0.000
Vertical phase: 0.000
Horizontal phase: 0.800

Grazie wrote on 3/30/2003, 12:03 AM
THIS IS A JOB for . . . . ."ScriptMan!" Saviour of our Planet Vegas -

Tah Dah!


Grazie
satish wrote on 3/30/2003, 12:25 AM
awesome veggie. :)
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/30/2003, 9:39 AM
Satish, Thanks... I couldn’t have done it without your awesome plugin. ;-)

~jr
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/30/2003, 9:40 AM
Jim,

Made even better by your wave suggestion. That really brings it to life. I’ve modified the veg on my web site and at sundance media. I gave you credit in the properties for your suggestion. Thank you very much.

~jr
eheh wrote on 3/30/2003, 10:26 AM
I've added some shadows, too.
JohhnyRoy, Where can I drop the veggie?
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/30/2003, 2:39 PM
>Where can I drop the veggie?

Wow, how did you manage shadows? You can send it to the email address that's in the properties of my veggie.

~jr
eheh wrote on 3/30/2003, 3:57 PM
I just emailed you the files.

It's not true shadows, of course, but a blured replica of each page, with some varying Z distance over a table. I added some offsets to give a more natural look.

I also put a table image background for the completeness

I like the result

Enjoy
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/31/2003, 5:30 AM
Got it and added labels to the tracks and zipped it up with the JPEG and put it on my web site as ShadowPages.zip. I gave it a new name because it’s really showing a technique that could be use in a lot of places you use 3D PluginPac to fly windows. I’ll add a tutorial to my web site later tonight. Special thanks to eheh for adding the shadows. I like the way you use a mask to only cast the shadows on the table area. Sweet!

~jr
shogo wrote on 3/31/2003, 8:40 AM
Man this is cool having so many people take your idea and bring it out and get it working sweet!
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/31/2003, 8:57 AM
Yea, this community really works well together.

So, how close is this to the original idea that was in your head? Did we get it out? Your original request was to help you get it out. I would hate to still have that thing in there clogging things up. ;-)

~jr
shogo wrote on 3/31/2003, 10:17 AM
Much to my dismay I havent even tried yet (been extremly busy shooting parts for the video and running my other business and my 3 kids that is a lot of work just maintaining and entertaining them :-)) I hope no one minds, but hay at least this will give someone else something to work with. I will start on it in a day or so and I think they will be blown away if I get it working the way I visualize it. I do have one question since I haven't started it yet should I create that part of the video (the flying videos) and render it out as a seperate avi then put it in my project as a completed little avi. The reson I ask is I will have maybe 10 - 15 diffrent clips for the whole finished video and I am thinking if I use this in my main project it will be terribly slow to preview and render.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/31/2003, 10:36 AM
Wow, didn’t realize you haven’t seen it yet. I’d be interested to know how close we got.

I almost always do special compositing like this as a separate AVI and then bring it into my main project. The reason is twofold:

1) Yes this will take a long time to render and so rendering once and including the AVI ensures you won’t move something in the main project that causes a unnecessary re-render.
2) Compositing uses a lot of tracks and more tracks mean more to keep track of (no pun intended); especially if there are lots of parent/child relationships as in this one.

But that’s just my personal work style.

~jr
shogo wrote on 3/31/2003, 11:08 PM
Yep this will work well. I will have to change the perspective and and angles but this is what I needed to know how to get them to fly in and bend kind of like pieces of paper. I also like the shadow effects. The only other question I have (sorry guys )is there a way to get a border around just the video as it is flying I tried putting a border around it but it just puts it around the edges of the whole video, it doesn't follow the picture effect. I bet I could find here in the foroums but I am tired ;-) I will look tommorow. Again thanks much for all of your help. Just tweek it to my need and this will rock!
JohnnyRoy wrote on 4/1/2003, 5:09 AM
That’s an easy one. Add the Cookie Cutter effect Square, Center, White Border to the beginning of the chain. You are probably adding it to the end of the FX chain, which makes it affect the whole frame. If you add it before the PluginPac 3D LE effect, the border will be affected by the 3D. Just grab it and drag it to the beginning of the chain. FX position is important in achieving the desired effect.

You might even consider keyframing the white border so it only shows at the moment the clip hits the table and turns into a frozen picture.

~jr
shogo wrote on 4/2/2003, 8:09 AM
I love you man!
Thanks again.