Credit roll not working right

mrs_smiths_lad wrote on 7/10/2004, 10:21 AM
I have now got my copy of Douglas Spotted eagles fine book but I still have a question about credit roll. I have one with 10 or so lines and DSEs book says the speed of the roll is dependent on the length of the event. (The vagas manual says nothing about credit rolls I can find, they are suposed to be on page 189 but they are not!) However when I stretch the event to slow them down (I believe one should be able to read them without being an olympic level speed reader, unlike most tv productions :) All that happens is they repeat at the same speed. What is wrong?

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philfort wrote on 7/10/2004, 10:38 AM
He means the length of the event as indicated in the rop right of the credit roll window itself. Increase that length, and the roll will slow down - unfortuantely it's a number you have to type in, instead of just being able to drag with the mouse. (and you'll probably also need to drag the edges of the event on the timeline to match up with that new time).

An alternative is to ctrl-drag the event edges to stretch the event... but you might get a better quality by doing the first option.
Spot|DSE wrote on 7/10/2004, 10:54 AM
The way I do this is to drag a selection on the timeline that matches the length of my credit roll.
Then right click the selection, choose Add generated media, and the credit roll will automatically the correct length of time.
If you find you have more credits than you have time, of course it will still roll fast, and you either need to insert a velocity envelope, or figure out how to get more time. if it's not going to broadcast, you usually don't have an allotted time so you have better flexibility.
craftech wrote on 7/10/2004, 1:46 PM
Perhaps the credit roll will be improved in Vegas 13.
VegasVidKid wrote on 7/10/2004, 3:27 PM
Maybe Sony should bundle a copy of Pinnacle Studio 9 with Vegas to compensate for a lot of the "simple" things that are not so simple to do in Vegas. All you should need to do is to drag the credits out as long as you want and the scroll rate should adjust automatically.
Spot|DSE wrote on 7/10/2004, 3:33 PM
You'll generally find the consumer apps have a number of things the pro apps don't. Such as how Screenblast exports to Flash but Vegas won't.
I don't like the credit rolls or most other features in Pinnacle9 myself, but it does have a decent title tool. But since Pinnacle owns the top end of the low grade title tools....must not be that hard to integrate.
I love Caymen Graphics for this sort of thing.
farss wrote on 7/10/2004, 3:47 PM
Why have Cayman been hiding under a rock? At last a titler that understands video. I'll download the demo and try it out later today.
For those that don't understand what I'm talking about, characters on a video screen need to be defined in scan lines NOT point sizes to get things looking perfect. I'm not into fancy titles, just plain stuff, but plain stuff that looks perfect or as good as it can on video.
rettop wrote on 7/10/2004, 4:30 PM
<< I have now got my copy of Douglas Spotted eagles fine book but I still have a question about credit roll. I have one with 10 or so lines and DSEs book says the speed of the roll is dependent on the length of the event. (The vagas manual says

I fully understand the disabilities which may have been inflicted upon you, if you've been unfortunate enough to be a product of USA Government schools, but, is it REALLY too much to ask that you get the spelling right on the name of the product you're asking for help on...(VEGAS)?
Spot|DSE wrote on 7/10/2004, 4:38 PM
Caymen is here in Utah. Kinda funny, they're just across the mountain, and about 8 blocks from Cheno's place. Great people! Glad it's something that looks great for your needs.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 7/10/2004, 6:22 PM
Here's what I do:
1) type in my credits
2) change the length of the event to what I want it to be
3) double click on the event. The length of the event will be in the lower right of the timeline/
4) open up the credit role & change the length to the time in the lower right.
5) watch and correct as necessary.

i'v found it really simple to do. I also add a shadow by just duplaciting the credit role, put it on the track bellow, & move it right a frame or two. I haven't found somethign I can't do in Vegas yet. :) At least somethig that i've needed. :)
craftech wrote on 7/10/2004, 6:36 PM
Here's what I do:
1) type in my credits
2) change the length of the event to what I want it to be
3) double click on the event. The length of the event will be in the lower right of the timeline/
4) open up the credit role & change the length to the time in the lower right.
5) watch and correct as necessary.

i'v found it really simple to do. I also add a shadow by just duplaciting the credit role, put it on the track bellow, & move it right a frame or two. I haven't found somethign I can't do in Vegas yet. :) At least somethig that i've needed. :)
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That's simple? Try using that method to slow the credit roll down to a crawl. It doesn't work properly as far as I can tell.
John
TheHappyFriar wrote on 7/10/2004, 7:28 PM
Normaly I figure out how long I want the roll, (minute, 4 minutes, etc) before I make it. then go from there. I've made credit rolls that are a couple seconds to 6 minutes. I've done it that way every time. Most of the time I even type in the credits into a word processor (like OpenOffice.org) check spelling, etc, then cut/paste into Vegas. Then I make sure nothing is cut off the screen.

If I wanted to slow down a roll (say I need something on the screen for 8 seconds from bottom to top and it's up there for 6) i'd stretch out the event & enter the new time in. Play a small section & see how it looks. Want it slower I just make the event a little longer (sometimes I don't edit the event length until I get the roll the way I like it. I'll just change the roll time instead with a section playing in loop mode)

It's simpler then making PSD's in photoshop & using trackmotion to move them (had to do that in Premiere 6, very unhappy!). Compared to all the work I do on the video before the credits, it's a piece of cake. After all, if I could just plug stuff in & hit a button, i wouldn't be an editor. :)
farss wrote on 7/11/2004, 7:18 AM
I've emailed their tech support, not really an issue as I can just export targa but that will not work with rolls and crawls, damn!

Maybe one of the host install options gives a DirectX plug that'll work with Vegas, you had any luck?
craftech wrote on 7/12/2004, 9:40 AM
There is a limit as to how far you can stretch out the event by dragging left as far as I can tell.
Here is what I do. It works, but shouldn't be necessary if Sony/SF reworks the credit roll generator eventually:
1. Place credit roll at end of video

2. Type in all the information

3. Edit generated media: Change the time length to the desired amount (may involve trial and error)

4. Go back to timeline and place the cursor back from the end of the timeline a distance equal to the desired length of the credit roll. I did it by typing in the cursor position (in the little box under the timeline toward the right) so it was exact.

5. MOVE the Credit Roll Left to the cursor position WITHOUT resizing it.

6. Send the cursor to the end of the video by clicking Go To END (CTRL+END).

7. Stretch the end of the credit roll to the Right up to the cursor WITHOUT holding down the CTRL key.

8. If the speed is too fast go back and do it all over again from step 3 above.

Add to the above the fact that there are severe limitations in terms of the variety of fonts and colors one can use. You choose one for each of the three titile types and that's it. No more choices. Change it and they all change. Amateurish. Has been since Vegas 2.0

John
TheHappyFriar wrote on 7/12/2004, 10:15 AM
I've never tried dragging it left... I've always move it & draged the right side out. I'll have to try that. :)

I do agree with you that it stinks there's a real limited amount of ways to move the text, but for a normal credit roll, it's ok. Since most movies use a normal black on white roll, we have overkill for that in Vegas. Anything else would probley require a dedicated titler program.

I've done some pretty cool effects with the text generator, and basic shadow stuff with the credit roll. The ability to composite any layer really helps. :)
apit34356 wrote on 7/12/2004, 10:26 AM
Have you tried making a couple of credit rolls, like sections, spacing starting points. overlay end/start points if ended? I done this a few times. its a lot easlier to change font between listings.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 7/12/2004, 1:05 PM
I did that all the time in Premiere... had no choice! I haven't needed a font change so dfar though.

Hey, did we help mrs smith out?
:)
Spot|DSE wrote on 7/12/2004, 2:25 PM
No. Uncompressed avi is the only option...I wish TGAs would work!
mrs_smiths_lad wrote on 7/18/2004, 9:30 AM
Thanks for input I figured out what I didn't do, I didn't realise I had to specify the length of CR in the input box in seconds I though I could just drag it out longer