Credit Rolls Question - SONIC EPM?

craftech wrote on 5/14/2003, 8:26 AM
I have done these before and have read through previous posts on the subject, but am still having a problem with it.
I have just typed a rather lengthy credit roll for the end of a 2hr and 15 minute video.
The problem is the usual one. How to slow it down.
Changing the time has never worked for me. I add time and am supposed to stretch it out, but I see no marks to stretch it to. All adding time does is to chop off the end of the credit roll.
Holding the CTRL key down and dragging out the credit roll DOES work, but it will only go so far, and then it wont go any further. Unfortunately, for lengthy credit rolls it's STILL too fast. I have had to leave them at that speed in the past, but customers complain that the credits go by too fast to read them.
I have seen no improvement in VV4 in terms of credit rolls.

Anyone have any ideas?

John

Comments

TomG wrote on 5/14/2003, 8:57 AM
I have used event velocity to slow down the credit roll in the past. Hopes this helps.

TomG
jetdv wrote on 5/14/2003, 9:21 AM
The PROPER way to slow down a credit roll it to change its LENGTH timecode to be the total amount of time you want the credit to roll. So, if you want the credits to scroll for 1 minute, change the length to "00:01:00:00". After you have changed the length value, you must now resize the credit roll to be that long. So the second step is to resize the credit to be 1 minute long (and there WILL be a small mark at the top of the credit at the 1 minute mark).

Other methods that will work but may give less satisfactory results:
1. CTRL-Drag to resize the clip
2. Velocity Envelope but still requires manually sizing the clip.
craftech wrote on 5/14/2003, 9:23 AM
Once stretched out to what appears to be the max using the CTRL key and the mouse, changing Event Velocity to a reasonable speed causes the video to end before the credit roll finishes. What I need is a way to stretch it more to the left because the logical starting point for setting up a credit roll is the end of the last frame of the video. Then you should be able to drag it to the left so that the credit roll starts at whatever point will give you the speed you want.
It will only stretch so far to the left and then I cannot figure out how to stretch it to the left any further. Moving it over and stretching it to the right screws up the order of the credit roll even if I calculate the length and change the playback time. It seems way too complicated to do such a common thing. I am surprised it wasn't worked on for VV4
since the complaints about Credit Rolls dates back some time.
Also, the inability to change individual line properties is ridiculous as well. Make a decision for Headers and the color, font, etc is changed for ALL Hheaders. Change one and ALL are changed. Same for the other two types of lines.
I know some people use Photoshop for credit rolls and I guess I have to try that, but the scrolling speed problem will probably still remain.
For now I have typed a long list of credits and I won't type it again. Took too long.

Right now, I want a way to stretch it to the length I need with the credit roll intact.
mikkie wrote on 5/14/2003, 9:28 AM
"Holding the CTRL key down and dragging out the credit roll DOES work, but it will only go so far,..."

Perhaps you're hitting the end of the allocated timeline? [NLEs I've seen allocate so much room/time based on the length of the longest track.] Would it help to insert another track, import a clip to it at the end to sort of lengthen the timeline, then mute/delete the extra track?

Otherwise, have you tried using the scrolling text FX, but in the properties dialog selecting timed sequence -> enter from bottom -> slow exit top?

luck
mike
craftech wrote on 5/14/2003, 9:35 AM
I entered 1 minute for the length, but I don't see a mark anywhere.
CTRL-DRAG will stretch it only so far and not any farther.
craftech wrote on 5/14/2003, 9:43 AM
"Holding the CTRL key down and dragging out the credit roll DOES work, but it will only go so far,..."

"Perhaps you're hitting the end of the allocated timeline? [NLEs I've seen allocate so much room/time based on the length of the longest track]"

The credit roll is at the End of a 2 hour timeline and stretching it to the Left only goes so far.

"Otherwise, have you tried using the scrolling text FX, but in the properties dialog selecting timed sequence -> enter from bottom -> slow exit top?"

Tried it and the credit roll pauses then ends way before it is finished.

way2slo wrote on 5/14/2003, 10:14 AM
i do use the length change method and it works fine.
what is your problem? dont forget to drag the event to time length after you changed.

craftech wrote on 5/14/2003, 10:21 AM
I think the following seems to work:

1. Place credit roll at end of video

2. Type in all the information

3. Edit generated media: Change the time length to the desired amount (may involve trial and error)

4. Go back to timeline and place the cursor back from the end of the timeline a distance equal to the desired length of the credit roll. I did it by typing in the cursor position (in the little box under the timeline toward the right) so it was exact.

5. MOVE the Credit Roll Left to the cursor position WITHOUT resizing it.

6. Send the cursor to the end of the video by clicking Go To END (CTRL+END).

7. Stretch the end of the credit roll to the Right up to the cursor WITHOUT holding down the CTRL key.

8. If the speed is too fast go back and do it all over again from step 3 above.


WOW!
jetdv wrote on 5/14/2003, 10:37 AM
DON'T hold down CTRL when you resize

When you resize it (with a length setting of 1 minute), there will be a small mark at the top of the clip at the 1 minute mark.

Try this, add one at the very beginning of a project, change the length to 1 minute, resize it to 1 minute 1 second. One second before the end you should see a small triangle at the top of the clip.
JJKizak wrote on 5/14/2003, 1:51 PM
Screwing around with the credit roll speeds in V-4 is not in my mind "the way sofo
designs software with the rock solid simple slam dunk results" as with the rest of the
sofo family. Its the only function in Premier that I liked. I did much screwing around
to get it slowed down enough for professional reading (not like TV). Still wound up
with the starlight effect with the 20 size font. Anyway I still love V4.0c.

JJK
granmadave wrote on 7/2/2003, 10:45 AM
I didn't read all the responses, so I don't know if anyone else already suggested these, but have you tried:

-For more visual representation, Expand Track Layers or use a discrete video track for the text media.

-Using a stopwatch to determine the intended speed of the credits; 41 lines of credits across 205 seconds (5 seconds for a line to scroll across the entire screen, taking 03.13 s.f)? Use that time in the time setting for the credits. Or, if you have tried it at 2.00.00 m.s.f, and it's still too fast, you know you need to push that out, maybe try 03.30.00 m.s.f.

-Alter the transition speed within the Generated Media Editor Timeline to Linear, to ensure the credits won't change speed on you and jump to .5 seconds for a line.

-Utilise a velocity envelope for more control over the speed. As you lower the velocity, the credits may end before they are complete, as I believe I saw someone mention in a previous post. You may need to stretch the event to the complete length required at that lower velocity. If it overlaps the main video track and that's okay for you, cool. If it stretches out into nowhere land after the main video and that's okay for you, cool.

-Another option, of course, is change the credits. Eliminate unnecessary lines and credits. Be concise, while still incorporating all you need and giving credit where due.

Good luck.

Be well.

-gran