Davinci resolve 14

BruceUSA wrote on 5/7/2018, 1:01 PM

Resolve 14 rendering 10 bit project settings with FX applied. Out put MP4 UHD 30P. The speed is very good. What do you think?

 

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fr0sty wrote on 5/7/2018, 1:05 PM

Blackmagic seems to be good at making innovative and solid software. 100% GPU load, CPU breaking a sweat too... Meanwhile Vegas has like 30-50% GPU load, CPU might max out depending on codec used. It would be interesting to do some side by side render tests with Resolve 14 and Vegas 15.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/7/2018, 2:39 PM

TBH, Resolve 14 smokes anything else I've tested and/or used. I transcode all my clips to Cineform before any editing and when it comes time to render out the timeline, I can see my CPU utilization go from a low of 75% to a full 99% and GPU sits around 50-60% - sometimes near 90%!!! - I've never seen such efficient hardware utilization until now. Still trying to wrap my head around the editing paradigm as I like to keep things uncomplicated but right now - it's what I'm using to edit with over Vegas Pro 14 and Premiere Pro CS6 right now - and I'm not even using one of their minimum GPU's - still using a GTX-660ti 2GB card for editing HD footage - I'll need to decide on which card technology to go with for the eventual move to 4K. I'm torn as AMD cards are the better value compared to nVidia - but given Vegas 15 now has NVENC, I wonder if AMD cards will get pushed to the back of the waiting line... And I wonder about the future of Vegas Pro in general...

BruceUSA wrote on 5/7/2018, 4:16 PM

Blackmagic seems to be good at making innovative and solid software. 100% GPU load, CPU breaking a sweat too... Meanwhile Vegas has like 30-50% GPU load, CPU might max out depending on codec used. It would be interesting to do some side by side render tests with Resolve 14 and Vegas 15.

 

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BruceUSA wrote on 5/7/2018, 4:20 PM

Gpu acceleration in vp compared to resolve, its a joke really. I really wish vegas to rewrite new codes for vegas . We need a new motor stuck the vegas hood in order to perform like others.

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OldSmoke wrote on 5/7/2018, 4:27 PM

Gpu acceleration in vp compared to resolve, its a joke really. I really wish vegas to rewrite new codes for vegas . We need a new motor stuck the vegas hood in order to perform like others.


MAGIX doesn't have the financial resources like BM with all their hardware, which is rather expensive, to re-write Vegas from scratch. And if I am wrong and MAGIX actually does it, we all will pay the "price" for it.

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Kinvermark wrote on 5/7/2018, 8:27 PM

@BruceUSA

What is your output format from resolve? General workflow? I am reviewing Resolve 15, but can't honestly see a way to integrate it into my way of working. Very limited render formats / options. Editing is painful compared to Vegas, but that may be due to lack of familiarity.

fr0sty wrote on 5/8/2018, 2:12 AM

Gpu acceleration in vp compared to resolve, its a joke really. I really wish vegas to rewrite new codes for vegas . We need a new motor stuck the vegas hood in order to perform like others.


MAGIX doesn't have the financial resources like BM with all their hardware, which is rather expensive, to re-write Vegas from scratch. And if I am wrong and MAGIX actually does it, we all will pay the "price" for it.

I've already paid the "price" for it twice since Magix bought it... once $800 for the 14 suite, and again $350 for the upgrade to the 15 suite, which almost a year later still doesn't work right. Resolve 14 is $300 and smokes Vegas in just about every other way. If BM gets the user interface down, it's curtains for Vegas. At this point for Magix, it is adapt or die. They cannot rely on just patching up the old code anymore (while still leaving holes) and, other than UI changes, only adding one or two really useful features that really required a lot of tooling around under the hood. I knew not to expect much from 15 when the freeze frame stuff was what they were advertising... a script that could not have taken long to put together. NVENC has proven useful when it works, but that isn't often. DVD Architect hasn't seen any real updates in quite some time. It should seamlessly integrate with Vegas, in fact it really should just be a part of Vegas. After Effects comes with Mocha standard now. Davinci Resolve has a good tracker of its own. Vegas costs just as much and then expects you to dump 3x as much into third party plugins to do what its competition will do.

I love Vegas, but I'm at the point where I'm starting to watch Resolve tutorials, because if things don't take a completely new direction as far as the software development goes, it is just going to keep spinning its tires while the competition runs laps around it.

As for BM hardware, it's actually extremely cheap. They are known for slitting the throats of competitors who overcharge for their hardware... such as the new BM Pocket Cinema 4K, costing half as much as GH5s but having the same exact sensor, plus the ability to record 12 bit RAW to a USB C drive. It also comes with the pay version of Resolve. Their Television Studio mixer I bought for $1k did what, at the time, you had to pay $5k to get.

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zdogg wrote on 5/14/2018, 4:43 AM

Blackmagic is an impressive company. I don't think I ever crashed Resolve. I don't like the GuI on the main edit/timeline page, but YMMV. Doesn't run my older Mackie Control either, only MCU, (if you don't know, don't worry about it)
It's very good for color and decent for rotoscope, not great, but I see them coming fast and furious. I think now the integration with Fusion looks interesting, but I don't really want to invest that much time.

Vegas has the BEST user interface, it still needs some real good tweaks. They need some power users to come in and really spend extended time with the developers and get that nailed down. Also, Magix really has a powerful user interface in its Samplitude/ Sequoia line that really could inform the way Vegas handles things, as Vegas also is, at its core, an audio editor, and that is one of its real strengths. Don't underestimate that.

I do think Vegas should use its main idea and rewrite it from the ground up, and integrate a bit more animation features, rotoscope and the like. Don't change it, just rewrite it so it is smoother, faster and more adaptable. But, I guess we can dream.

I don't like to complain, I understand the realities of developing this kind of software. i can't imagine anything as complex as an NLE, as you have to deal with all of the codecs and formats and hardware possibilities. That has got to be a major PITA on the developers part.

the latest Vegas Pro Edit is working pretty well.

 I would like to have a one on one with one of the developers, I have some good ideas, and again, I don't like to publicly whine about what this fine program does not do......It is powerful and elegant. Can it be better, Of course ........

zdogg wrote on 5/14/2018, 3:53 PM

I would like to see Vegas complete the job of support for BM cards, I can use Intensity Pro (8 bit) but not the Deckling Mini Monitor (10 bit) and for my round trips to other programs that would be useful, as those other programs, including Adobe and BM, love that card, and Vegas herself uses most of the BM cards, as I understand it. Mini monitor is a $200 range solution, would seem Vegas would get that done...Thanks in advance Gary and Co. Let's do this.

Note to Gary: it would seem that this is a second and third chance for Vegas to "break through" to the big leagues, let's do this thing. Magix, to you as well, let's make this happen, you have the best audio editor, best interface there with Samplitude/Sequoia.....and Vegas is the most "user friendly" interface......best design (though still needs some tweaks, to be fair) but why are you not putting some muscle into this, and don't penalize the loyal users (like me, since ver. 4) and let's get this DONE!!!

A note on the "software 365" idea: It worked GREAT years ago with Samplitude, was ahead of its time. That is why I signed on in the first place, and stayed, should have pushed that harder, actually

To the User: your money is not all tied up "up front" - you get the latest updates/upgrades, free, the developer can concentrate on existing user pool, their needs to be satisfied first (otherwise, marketing dept. gets involved and pushes useless but glitzy "bells and whistles" new features and core never gets worked on/fixed, IOW, this is a WIN/WIN) and you really don't pay anymore that the person who is paying for regular Upgrades. The developer has a steady, predictable income and that is really better for the program, long run. Think 'partnership' instead of 'they are just gouging us' -- which can be the case but not with the two companies here.....I have a long relationship with both, and both are TOP people and really want to make things for the customer, but they are punching below their weight....they both suffer from an INFERIORITY COMPLEX

and that part NEEDS TO CHANGE>

Cliff Etzel wrote on 6/3/2018, 5:09 PM

As a follow up to my earlier response - the code jockey's at MAGIX have done something under the hood to Vegas 15 v361 - I'm getting some amazing render times - on par with Resolve 14. I'm seeing some SERIOUS pegging of my i8700K OC'd to 5ghz - I've seen it peg to 100% and stay there during some of my renders. And the fact the hardware specs aren't as high spec as those of Resolve makes Vegas 15 my default NLE now.

I finally kicked Premiere Pro CS6 to the curb as well.

Reyfox wrote on 6/4/2018, 8:09 AM

I've dabbled with Resolve. My limited brain capacity now (one functioning brain cell left) doesn't afford me too much learning new software space.

But with this new release (361) my AMD GPU gets used heavily in VCE exporting! CPU too!

My editing needs now aren't as demanding. Heck, even VP is overkill for the most part for me. But VP is so darn easy to get the hang of!

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