So simple! Thank you!

This is one of the drawbacks of the download version - ie. not having the keyboard shortcut card.

Stuart, although for Vegas 4,this might assist you.

If you want the Vegas List, download the Vegas7 Manual from here and on pp29-36 is the Keyboard Command Reference Section, chock full of stuff. If you don't want to print off the whole 380 pages, I can understand that, why not just print off these sheets? Hell, you could even place it into word; add your own CALLOUTS; colour code it to your design;encapsulate it and then you may even do some editing - LOL!

Don't suffer from 'Perceived-Download-Syndrome'! Use the SONY Manual Download Service -TODAY! It changed my life forever! Brought me riches beyond my wildest dreams -AND made me handsome too! - 'The Sony Manual Download Service' - You just KNOW it makes Sense!

(This is one of the drawbacks of the download version - ie. not having the keyboard shortcut card.)

Read. The. Manual.

I understand each of these words individually, but not together. Sorry, you'll have to explain the concept. ;-)

Seriously, thank you for the tip, I'll print just the relevant pages.

In a follow-up question, is there a way to tell from looking at the timeline which elements are grouped and which aren't?

"In a follow-up question, is there a way to tell from looking at the timeline which elements are grouped and which aren't?"

Excellent question! And the formulation of a great idea! Come to that, there isn't a way to identify a Nested Veg either. . . And no, I don't a way to identify a group?

In a follow-up question, is there a way to tell from looking at the timeline which elements are grouped and which aren't?

Well, when you select one event, anything its grouped to is outlined in blue. Without selecting an event first, none that I know of...

Rob

I think I started complaining about this way back in the V4 days.

To be frank this isn't a bug, the whole concept is wrong. Attempts to fix the problem by adding more widgets have just made it more broken instead of addressing the real problem.

On a recent project I used lots of audio from the camera tapes elsewhere as sound FXs and deleted a lot of the vision from the same source. Result is Vegas tells me almost 50% of my project is out of sync and out by nearly a day. This renders the whole improvement not only useless but quite confusing. Now the proper way to do this would have been to render the audio that I was using to new audio files and use them. But that's the way it worked in another app that I gave up on long ago. But that app did have a way more logical approach, one that makes sense given the task at hand.

The only time one would want to move an A/V pair relative to one another is if sync is off. Well blow me down that other app makes you jump through a few hoops to unlock them, you slide them around to get them in sync and then lock the back again. And they stay locked. You want to use just the audio from the A/V file as just audio, fine, it pretty much forces you to render the audio as an audio only file. At the time I thought that was a pain and Vegas was way smarter, wrong. The other paradigm was perfectly logical and correct and much more goof proof.

The other rather basic feature that that app had/has was the ability to lock tracks. Not having that feature in Vegas is such a time waster / brain bender. Thankfully I'm not a creative type but when I try to get the creative juices going I'm forever loosing the flow worrying about what I'm doing now screwing up what I did before.

Bob.

Another way of looking at this is that you're asking about J and L cuts. There's a button that turns on "Ignore event grouping" turn it on, drag out your audio, then turn it back off so you don't screw up other stuff.

Probably better than group/ungroup. You can easily destroy groupings and not be able to tell what's still grouped.

Rob Mack

Okay. Here's an example where turning off the event thumbnails and seeing only colored events would be useful. I really don't know why Vegas uses plain grey for timeline events. Color could be very useful in this mode.

Rob Mack

Sounds a bit like Media100's way of doing it.

This audio issue brings up something I hadn't thought about until this week. I've got a set of tapes froma PD150. Lavaliere was recorded on channel 1 and boom was on channel 2. The problem is that both of these come into Vegas on one track. Obviously i'd like to treat them separately. It seems like I'll have to make some bit of effort to get each channel on it's own track. Is there something I'm missing here?

Rob Mack

If you duplcate the audio track by right-click on the header and choosing 'duplicate'.

right click on the audio event, go to 'channels' and choose 'left only'

on the dulplicate track, go to channels and choose 'right only'

This will do what you want, but creates a new prolbem: making sure edits on one track are matched on the other. So finally, group the duplicated track's audio event to the original audio+video event.

Another approach is to use a free audio plugin like this:
http://www.pacificsoundcraft.com/software/directx/stereomixer/

on the audio track (leave the event channel assignment as both channels). Use the plugin to pan the Lav and Boom mic to centre, and ajust the level balance between the two as needed. This will be great for editing, but is not a solution if you need to process the Lav and Boom seperately (ie EQ, compression etc). This is where the first method wins!