Dejavu?!

darg wrote on 2/8/2009, 7:44 PM
Hi guys,

me again and I'm ripping my hair again.
It is like a small dejavu that I had as I used HDVSplitt in times of VP8.0a and it kept crashing on me when I played the files in preview or put them on the TL but now it is a Sony internal product. I rendered H.264 files from a Sanyo HD1010 into HDV presets MainConcept file format (don't ask me why but I did it...next time I will make it as AVIs but Vista does not support AVIs even in VP like Xp so I'm reluctant to do that) by using the VP8.0 and I see the same reactions from the VP8.0b - crashes. The page file usage is getting up in a flash so I downloaded VP8.0c since there was a fix in regard to that issue but it did not worked out. I used VP8.1 and it is a little bit better but the files are still crashing even VP8.1 just in a slightly different way. I can have around 5 to 7 more previews before it freezes and after quitting it in task manager I see this FileSurrogate.exe still running.
I mean, VP is not even able to handle it's own render formats anymore or what is this?
After shutting it down manually my PF usage is going down to normal values and I load VP again and work for maybe 15 minutes. Nice work flow, every 15 minutes another cigarette......

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darg wrote on 2/8/2009, 8:06 PM
Ok, I did a reboot under WinXP and it works copetly normal. No crashes, no excessive Page File Load. No wonder that M$ is in a crisis, this Vista cost me $130 plus additional RAM to get the "advantage" of 64bit and nothing is working out. I think I will invest another bucks in XP64 just to see how this works out.

Marco. wrote on 2/8/2009, 10:21 PM
"Vista does not support AVIs"

The AVI wrapper works just fine on Vista systems. You might have used a codec which wasn't installed in Vista but that doesn't mean Vista wouldn't support AVI.

Marco

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darg wrote on 2/9/2009, 11:39 AM
Why is it that one product (I consider VP8.0 and VP8.1 as one and the same product just for two different platforms on PC level) supports AVIs and some not. Also that on Vista a Sony delivered codec, even if it is a MainConcept codec, does not work but in Windows XP. The failure is definitely on Vistas side since the software works under XP so that can not be the case.
What did I missed out as I installed Vista?

To summarize my issues which are distributed over a couple of threads here:

1. VP8.1 and VP8.0 b+c does not like material that was rendered from H.264 of a Sanyo cam into MainConcept mpg2 HDV 60i template. The H.264 is also 60i, only the resolution is different. Under WinXP it is absolutly fine. No crash. - Failure source VISTA?!

2. VP8.1 can not play and work with the same AVI files that VP8.0 can do under Vista 64bit and also VP8.0 WinXP. Even Real Player and also VLC which are bringing both their own codec packs can not play these file - Failure source VISTA?!

3. Previews set as Preview or even best are looking extremly blocky. Believe me I have checked that it is set to full and aspect ratio is also OK. Also some videos from other sources played in VLC, Real player or WMP are looking crapping in Vista but not in XP. I have the latest graphics card driver from NVidia and I have tried older ones but nothing helps. - Failure sources can be VISTA or NVidia

4. Some times I have to open and close VP8.1 a couple of times before VISTA let it have access to MY HDD where I have MY video materials. Sometimes it does not even let me have access to these internal drives in Win Explorer. The typical message is I have no rights and I should contact my Administrator. I am Administrator as log in!!!
Also I have to start the machine and let M$ do it's shit for about 15 minutes before I consider the machine ready to work. I have checked scheduled task but there is nothing that seems to be the source of that, no updates services and so on. It seems to be like this Net Work glitch that Vista is producing in networks with XP machines that it is not doing it's registration for some hard drives and it's doing some catalog crap with these HDD before it let's me do my work (superfetch and index is off). The only way to speed this up is by logging in with the actual not existing Administrator which I have installed/made up after wards I figured it out. When I log in as normal user with a different name this procedure is going on for even more than 30 minutes.

In general, I will go back to XP. I'm only a little bit sad about the money spending on 4GB additional RAM and the $130 for the Vista license.

Axel
Cliff Etzel wrote on 2/9/2009, 3:33 PM
According to your system profile - you're using a dual core processor - I found a huge improvement in performance when moving to a quad core processor.

Additionally, I've run into performance issues with editing native m2t or other compressed file formats in Vegas (That includes using Avid DNxHD files and quicktime files). I'm betting moving to either working with proxies or using Cineform Neo Scene would help in that area. I'm about to purchase Neo Scene right now

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darg wrote on 2/9/2009, 5:08 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not really complaining about performance in regard to speed. I'm complaining about the combination of Vista and VP8.0/8.1 which leads in my case to crashes and extreme instability so that a work flow like I do it on the exact same machine under XP is not possible I'm not dualbooting, I'm using two different HDDs).
Since I can rule out hardware (except a driver issue maybe which is hard to test) and I know that VP8.0b/c is extremely stable now under XP it must be the M$ product :-)
In regard to the choice of rendering my Sanyo material into M2T I know that it was not the best case scenario but I had to check my HDD space at the time I did it and normally I'm working with HDV so I'm used to M2Ts performance issues. I did not even used third party software for this rendering, I used a codec delivered with VP8.0/8.1 and both can not work with it in Vistas environment.
It was actually a test and but since I have also trouble with AVI under Vista there is no way to do it that way and I also don't have to since it works under XP and all what I did so far under XP was great and the performance of the system was good.
Vista was a test for me to see if a newer and 'better' OS in combination with 64bit environment can bring more performance than the 'old' and 'outdated' Windows XP but my render tests showed no win in regard to preview performance, the stability is nearly nil and the hassles around Vista are not worth it.

Is there anything I can do to 'repair' all what is envolved in Vistas video handling? Kind like a restore or update to make sure that M$ is doing the right job?