I think he's referring to the actual listing of all the media files IN vegas?
What bugs me is when I'm editing a video with a lot of media files, I get confused on which files I already put into the timeline and which ones I haven't since it seems to sort in alphabetical order instead of allowing me to put it in the order I want.

There is a switch that removes items NOT part of the project. Another switch will change from thumbnail view to a text list showing how many times a object is used on the timeline.

The purpose of the Media Bin (original purpose anyways) was to show what's used in your project, not be some exhaustive listings of what is on some reel or tape or anything like that.

There's two different main views of files in Vegas. The media bin and the Vegas Explorer which works the same way as Window's Exploer. The former s/b just what's used, while Explorer view is EVERYTHNG you have on your system.

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>>What bugs me is when I'm editing a video with a lot of media files, I get confused on which files I already put into the timeline and which ones I haven't since it seems to sort in alphabetical order instead of allowing me to put it in the order I want.<<

What you want is the detail view in the Media Pool.

It tells you how many times a file is used, and you can resort the list by many parameters by clicking on the headings along the top.

Gary

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I just tried this -- it appears that if you have three bins, for example, a, b and c and if you want to reorder the bins to b, c, a, you would drag bin a down on top of bin c which makes bin a a sub-bin of bin c. Then drag bin a back up onto the main media bins folder. Now it will NOT appear as a sub-bin of bin c but rather just move back and line up with the other bins but in the proper order, b, c, a.

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You can't. You can search the Bins for detailed stuff that is part of the Detailed View. Try Right clicking and you get a simple Search Criteria option. But re-ordering, as you would in Windows Explorer? Nope .. you can't do it. Seems like you need to put in a request to SoFo tech - yeah?

Regards,

Grazie

I understand what you're trying to do perfectly... fit square pegs in round holes and you just can't understand why you keep knocking off the corners. I wish people would LEARN how to use the application instead of the endless nitpicking I don't like how blah, blah, blah works, I want to do it my way, rant, rant, rant. Give me a break...

All I did was say what one could do . . . BB, erm . . . what's this then?

Grazie

BillyBoy,

There's more than one way to skin a cat. You use folders, some use Media Pool bins, some of us use both. You may feel bins are a waste of time. Others of us feel otherwise, and have very good reasons (for us) for thinking that way.

(see http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=206168).

What's the point of arguing about it?


ZippyGaloo,

I agree, I think re-ordering bins would be an essential improvement. A trip to the Sonic Foundry Product Suggestion page
(http://www.sonicfoundry.com/support/productsuggestion.asp)
may be in order.

The point is the forum is the place to discuss different views. Sure, some people like bins. Others don't, so I think me being just as vocal in opposition is just as appropriate as someone demanding more and more bin features I feel are a total waste of time.

I sometimes aruge a point in part so someone new to video editing don't think they're missing a key point or doing something wrong. In fact there's lots of differing opinion on how to do things. For example some like to use the trimmer, others never use it. Some use dozens of tracks in nearly every project, others can make just as complex a project on a couple tracks. Different strokes for different folks.

What I kind of get a kick out of his being an old dog that's used Vegas a long time now, I see people obviously new to Vegas saying such and such is essential. I just chuckle.

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You cannot reorder bins in the media pool.

Re-ordering bins in a Pro video edit application is as necessary as using a toothbrush to brush your teeth. Why do you think almost every edit app out there allows some form of database management? Vegas is the only one I know (on a pro level), that hasn't...until V4.

When you have 50 reels of footage...media management isn't a wish , its a necessity.

And I would add that most edit apps also allow you to "tag" an event in the media pool that has been used....so you don't have to change windows to see if you've used that event.

An opinion.

David

Baloney!

The built-in Explorer in Vegas is all anyone should need to locate files. IF of course you know where your files are. Now, what "pro" doesn't know where his files are on or off his computer? Its all about organization... or lack of it.

Well I would like to be able to organize my events and regions,
which I can not in the current version of Vegas. I thinks that is
the biggest missing function in Vegas!


run

I agree with Run.

"The built-in Explorer in Vegas is all anyone should need to locate files"

BillyBoy, you're overlooking something. If say an hour's tape is captured in one clip, parts of that clip will generally be used here there and everywhere. Despite all these usages, there is still only one single clip in Explorer.

If we had the abilty to have each of these Events as a sub-clip in the Media Pool Bin of our choice, and be able to give each sub-clip an alias type name to identify its usage, we would be much better organised than having a single clip in Explorer.

Being able to order these bins would also be desirable, but for the time being we can, knowing this current restriction, carefully create the bins in the order we want.

I want my car to fly.

It has a nice stereo and all...but it doesn't fly. No matter how fast I drive - it just won't take flight! This sucks!

I was in an airplane once and it took off and flew. And my car weighs a hellofa lot less than that airplane. And the damn airplane didn't have a good sound system.

So maybe if I replace the sound system in my car I can get it to fly!! What do ya'll think about that? Yeah - and maybe if I put a flux capacitor in it and hit 88 miles per hour (don't even ask me to translate that into Kilometers) maybe I could travel back to the future. That would be neat.

I would buy some stock in Microsoft and Apple!! I'd be sittin pretty with some money and a flying car that I can time travel with!! Wouldn't that just be the best?

YEaaaaahhhhh buddy!!!

Me overlook something? Surely you jest.

Sorry, I can't take bins seriously. Its how one works. If I'm going to use bits and pieces over and over (I do) then bins won't help me. Maybe in a project, not overall. That's why I have an elborate database along with thumbnails and extensive notes.

Example:

Lets take a typical 60 minute DV tape with raw unedited footage. It probably has a bunch of scenes on it, maybe even unrelated events, days apart. I'll drag the entire tape to the timeline. I'll use what I need, I may discard some, and break up what may become stock footage at some future point. I finish the project I'm working on. As I'm working on the project I slide unwanted parts out of the way usually on to another pair of tracks. These get rendered seperately if I decide they are worth keeping. I already have a complex array of folders set up in Windows Explorer. The "scenes" go into sub folders. I capture one or more thumbnails and fill out my database entry.

This method allows me to find anything, not just on tape X or project Y, EVERYTHNG I've ever done spanning years plus I have extensive notes and the ability to sort any way I want.

Can sub dividing bins come close to doing half of that?

I'm looking at the BIGGER picture, not limiting myself to the current project I'm working on. Good God, someone may next ask for bins to span every project you ever worked on and have all that managed within Vegas. We're getting to overkill asking the further division of bins, to what nth do we want to take it?

Unless I'm totally missing what you 'bin guys' are saying, you still are doing a lot of manual shuffling. While Vegas can capture by changes it sees in timecode it can't split a incoming steam by "scenes" and even if it could it no doubt still wouldn't meet the needs of what I see as excessive pigeonholing.

Explain to me in more detail what you do NOW when you capture, step by step, and what you would do differently if you could re order bins.

First of all, as I said, re-ordering bins would be handy, but not as important a feature as sub-clips.

I'm talking about the USE of bins, and subclips, and of course I'm talking about WITHIN a project, because every time I use Vegas, it's a project.

Also, the way I'm talking about working doesn't apply to every project - they all have their own shape and nature, and if I can simply stick it all on the time line and cut out the crap I will.

But, for instance, I am currently working on a project that teaches therapists how to assess for switches - devices that enable kids with disabilities to control other devices or computers.

I've shot two and a half hours of assessment footage. At this stage I don't know exactly what's going to be used where, so I've captured it all as three clips, Tape 1, Tape 2 and Tape 3.

As I sort through the footage, I may find a bit that is going to be used in say Section D, so I can, in the Trimmer, make it into a region and give it a name, say D01 Wrist Flexion. It will then be listed in Region view in Explorer, but it would be far easier if I could make it into a sub-clip and put it into a Media Pool Bin named "D - Hand function" or whatever.

Edwards superb Tsunami tool could also be adapted to this.
As regions were created for the Extract Good Clips feature, the region name could become the name of the sub-clip.

This way, I'd have lots of well-labelled bins containing the footage for each section, maybe even in the order I think it will be used, so when I get to that part of the program I can pick 'em all up and take them to the timeline ready for further editing.

I can also have a bin for "general footage" - useful for introductory montages etc, but in Explorer there would still be just three clips.