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Grazie wrote on 10/24/2003, 2:20 AM
Zipps - my thoughts . .

1 - A lot of FXs do tend to slow down non-rendered stuff in Preview - that's the nature of the beast - but I guess you have realised this.

2 - I don't have anything like your setup, power wise. So, when I need to Preview something that I really do need to see/Preview, I don't FULL preview. I go Auto and close it down really small. Now this maybe unacceptable to you, it is a pain for me too, but this is one of the results of having a non-hardware dependant NLE, which V4 is. And IMHO, yes, the contradiction is that one does need a powerful pc to get to what I want . . .

3 - There maybe some tweaks our colleagues can assist you with to make your system more . . ermmm . .apologies Zippy - ;-)

4 - Gripes? Nah mate, not gripes, most likely coming to an understanding there are some parameters I/we to recognise when Previewing V4 stuff that has a lot of FXs etc . .

. . propably not the answers you were wanting . .

Regards,

Grazie
ZippyGaloo wrote on 10/24/2003, 2:50 AM
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Grazie wrote on 10/24/2003, 2:53 AM
Okay . . what I mean is that, I don't know your system. Others who have a "similar" system setup "maybe" able to suggest some further tweaks to improving overall speed. But at the end of the day, you may have optimized the present system to the best it can reach - yeah? Nothing more nothing less.

Regards,

Grazie
cyanide149 wrote on 10/24/2003, 5:41 AM
Zippy- do you really WANT help, or are you just a whine-ass baby? Have you considered a complete mental examination?
Sid_Phillips wrote on 10/24/2003, 7:13 AM
Zippy:

I've run into the same problem. It's a matter of computing horsepower, and even with the most bodacious system available you'd still run smack into it. The high-end video editing workstations (like tens of thousands of dollars) have rendering engines on cards designed specifically to overcome this problem, it's like having several special-purpose computers inside your computer. Works like a charm, but you definitely pay for it.

What I'd like to see is the ability to kill that particular preview process. Unfortunately, since the system is "hung" until it finishes I can't see any solution, unless the Vegas programmers can come up with something like a "kill-switch" that resides in a process over the preview just waiting for your to hit the ESC key to stop it immediately. Not sure if that's even possible.

But even if you bought the beefiest PC available, you'd still run into this problem on a software-only NLE. Even some of the apps with hardware assist, like Premiere, run into this problem after you lay down a bunch of tracks with effects. Just a finite limit of processing.

But a kill-switch for the preview could come in handy.
Chienworks wrote on 10/24/2003, 7:22 AM
Hmmm. I'm not seeing this at all.

I just tried a 5 second crossfading between a couple of clips, adding a complex transition to the crossfade, and applying a few effects to the track. Then i undocked the preview window and set it to full size, Full/Best. The preview rate on my 866 P3 dropped to 0.919fps, but the system never hung or locked up. I could stop or pause the playback with either the keyboard or the mouse. I could reposition the cursor with the mouse and the playback shifted to that position. The longest delay for the system to respond was probably half a second.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/24/2003, 7:30 AM
Zippy, you neglected to say your video card. I'ev got an AMD XP 1800+, and i can preview fine. IT NEVER freezes up.

Do you have preview over firewire? I don't have that. Maybe that could make a difference.
Grazie wrote on 10/24/2003, 7:32 AM
Kelly, this has been my experience too. I never had the pc hang until the event was over . . I've been dissapointed with not seeing "enough" of an FX I've created, but that is my P3 1ghtz laptop . . not V4 . .

Grazie
Spot|DSE wrote on 10/24/2003, 8:51 AM
In Zippy's specs, the problem is fairly evident. But, having had my butt slammed for helping in the past, I'll avoid the novel it would take to suggest fixes. Someone else here will see it, I'm sure.
It's NOT a Vegas issue. Try this with Premiere, Ulead, (without a parhelia) or even Movie Studio. It will still pretty much freeze up.
Zippy, try posting a veg on the Sundance site, maybe folks will have even more suggestions. Your problem though, is hardware related.
I've got several Raptor cards that work wonderfully with Premiere and Ulead. I'll GIVE you one if it will make these silly non-Vegas posts go away.
BillyBoy wrote on 10/24/2003, 9:06 AM
"The only way to play the sequence WITH the MAXIMUM PREVIEW window and NOT have it freeze is to PRE-RENDER. "

There must be somewhere near a thousand posts suggesting you use an external monitor. The frame rate will drop depending on your system, but it should be better than what you're experiencing now which is a WINDOWS/hardware problem.


Jsnkc wrote on 10/24/2003, 9:50 AM
I'm thinking the RAM, MoBo, and processor combo might be an issue, your MoBo is only capable of 166 FSB and the ram is for a 370 , I can't really find what the FSB on the AMD 2100 processor but I will assume it is diffrent than the RAM and Mobo. IF you have a MoBO that say has a 333Mhz FSB you should get PC2700 DDR Ram that is rated for 333Mhz, and you should also have a processor like the AMD Athlon XP 2500+ that runs at 333Mhz. IF you have all these diffrent parts that were made to run at diffrent speeds you are just asking for trouble.

It looks to me like you have a lot of issues with your system that need to be fixed, and this is probably why you have been having so many problems with things locking up and not performing as they should.


P.S. I'll take a Raptor card :)


TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/24/2003, 10:25 AM
I'll take one of those Raptor cards too. :)

didn't even think of the FSB ofthe processor. It's 266 (133x2). Bring your ran down to that and see what happens. Actuatly, depending on your MB, it MAY say 133. Do that if there is no option for 266 (on AMD's and DDR, the 1 way FSB is actuatly the number they say divided by 2, which is what you most likely want).
Spot|DSE wrote on 10/24/2003, 10:38 AM
Send me a SASE or a FED Ex number, it's on it's way to you. I've got 4 of them. dse at sundancemediagroup.com
I also have 2 Pinnacle Pro 1's that I won't give away, but will sell cheap, as well as a Canopus Rex RT, among MANY other hardware cards. I even have 2 FAST DV Masters. I'll give those away too, but nothing recent works with them.
Leviathan wrote on 10/25/2003, 2:42 PM
Hi,

Do you still have the Canopus Rex RT, and you'd consider selling? What all is included? And what kind of price would you be asking? Thanks for your time.

Sincerely, Leviathan
BillyBoy wrote on 10/25/2003, 3:20 PM
Famous Zippy quote: "You know I've tried to be patient with this, but it's starting to TICK ME OFF!!"

Sure right, Zippy is a real patient guy; and we all know the Pope is really Jewish.
Spot|DSE wrote on 10/25/2003, 3:32 PM
Leviathan, take this offline to the email posted above, please?
Leviathan wrote on 10/25/2003, 11:30 PM
Sure, sending an email now.

Sincerely, Leviathan
The_Jeff wrote on 10/26/2003, 5:42 AM
Any chance you have an ATI video card in that system? There are several horribly buggy ATI drivers available that lock up in things like Vegas, Photoshop, etc.

If so, get the latest catalyst drivers.