Disabling auto micro fade on split clips...

Sunflux wrote on 11/15/2006, 10:43 PM
If you split a clip on the timeline ("S") and zoom in to the maximum level you'll notice that V7 (and previous versions) automatically create a one-quarter-frame audio fade out and fade in at the split point. This is audible as a brief "dropout" when dealing with fairly loud background noise levels.

How can I disable it doing this?

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Grazie wrote on 11/15/2006, 11:30 PM
Main Toolbar:

Options > Quickfade Audio Edits


. of course this is placed into editing so, as it says in the TOOLTIP, " . . to soften any potentially harsh transitions" - so you have been warned !





farss wrote on 11/16/2006, 4:06 AM
And trust me, you can create some truly cone and ear shattering transients making cuts in audio that way.

If you need seemless audio cuts then SF is a better tool, it'll cut on zero crossing. Of course that's unlikely to align with frame boundaries.

But I'm wondering just why you have a problem with this, sounds to me like you should be splitting the vision and not the audio in the first place.
gordyboy wrote on 11/16/2006, 4:26 AM
The info about disabling this is very useful as in V7 the edit point now produces a notable audio glitch (or at least I don't remember it being so objectionable before).

Because the split function splits all tracks at the split point, it means in editing the video where I want to, my background music gets a nasty glitch inserted where I didn't.

gb
farss wrote on 11/16/2006, 4:33 AM
Is there no way to prevent splitting the audio in the first place. Seems to me there's potential for more problems than just this glitch if you've put a split in what's supposed to be a continuous audio track.
Sunflux wrote on 11/16/2006, 4:38 AM
Well, I'm just trying to take one video clip and edit out some of the middle. The scene jumps back and forth between different visuals as well as a talking head, but the audio is a continuous interview (which has to be made shorter). The visual cuts in the specific cases I'm talking about are hidden behind other footage, otherwise I do a brief transition where this isn't an issue.

If I were to drag and drop the clip several times onto the timeline and then adjust the start/end points where I want them then there is no issue since this micro fade isn't applied to the audio. However if I take a single clip and chop it up - which is easier to deal with - then I get all these short dropouts in the (rather noisy) ambient background level. If I didn't have this general "din" of ambient sound this would not be an issue. Of course I can get rid of the micro fade manually by creating a "larger" fade and then eliminating it, but I'd rather they just weren't created in the first place.
DavidSinger wrote on 11/16/2006, 6:57 AM
Copy the audio track to a (3rd) track.
Split the audio/visual as you see fit (just don't *move* the video).
Delete the original audio, leaving the video (track 1) and the unsplit copy of audio (track 3).
gordyboy wrote on 11/16/2006, 7:13 AM
The split function doesn't work like that though - wherever you are on the timeline, when you press 'S' to split, *all* tracks are split at that point.

Or am I missing something here?

gb
jetdv wrote on 11/16/2006, 7:34 AM
The split function doesn't work like that though - wherever you are on the timeline, when you press 'S' to split, *all* tracks are split at that point.

Technically, only "Selected" events are split at that point. However, that also applies to grouped events unless you turn on "Ignore Event Grouping" or ungroup the events. If no events are selected, it will apply to ALL events/tracks.
mbryant wrote on 11/16/2006, 7:35 AM
gb,

My understanding is the same as yours... and I've always found this annoying... if I'm splitting a video event why does it split on all tracks? It creates uneccessary splits. I was just wondering last night while editing if there was a way of changing this behaviour.
I haven't noticed these fades though - I'll need to check more carefully.

Mark
mbryant wrote on 11/16/2006, 7:39 AM
jetdv,

You're right... I just tried it. But I have had splits appear on all tracks when I didn't want it to happen, I must have had them selected somehow.

Mark
jetdv wrote on 11/16/2006, 7:44 AM
I just tried it. But I have had splits appear on all tracks when I didn't want it to happen, I must have had them selected somehow.

Or you had NOTHING selected.
DavidSinger wrote on 11/16/2006, 7:50 AM
Hmmm, my editing splits only events I highlight *in the timeline* and then Edit Group Remove-from-group. But judging from other posts and replies, that might be purely coincidental...
farss wrote on 11/16/2006, 12:50 PM
So many things could, I think, be made to work much better with a Lock Track Icon in the header. Still don't understand why we don't have this functionality.
DavidSinger wrote on 11/16/2006, 1:06 PM
farss,
"So many things could, I think, be made to work much better with a Lock Track Icon in the header. Still don't understand why we don't have this functionality."

Go with Grazie on that lunch, let the beer tab run up, press this idea on 'em. Start to pour salt into their beer and when they put a hand over, say "See, we need something easy just like that to lock the track."
mbryant wrote on 11/20/2006, 5:44 AM
Or you had NOTHING selected.

jetdv,

Thanks - I feel so stupid! I'm no pro but I've been using Vegas for a few years now, and when I am splitting events it always seemed random if it split events on other tracks or not. I now realize that some of the time I have the event selected, and sometimes I don't.

I like the idea of having the option to focus on one track only for editing. I still end up making this mistake, but at least now I know why. I'm often using the arrow keys to select my split point, and I may or may not have the event selected....

Mark
baysidebas wrote on 11/20/2006, 7:58 AM
And this scenario shows the value of having room tone recorded. Actually, one can, in most instances "lift" .5 or 1 second of ambient noise to lay into the "dropout " section. Room tone is also useful to mask the dip in background when you remove throat clearings, errrrs, and hmmmms.