Hold the phone.
Avid MXF (as from Blackmagic, Arri, etc.) is compatible with Avid proprietary products (Media Composer, etc.).

Has nothing to do with the free Avid Quicktime package.
A search of the editing forums on the internet "may" lead you to a way to rewrap DNxHD MXF for other nonlinear editors such as Vegas.

musicvid10 you might be right with that. I had a Hyperdeck Shuttle for a while but I think I used the DNxHD Quicktime (mov) file version to play with; I returned that device however.

The devices I mentioned can produce DNxHD in either MXF or Quicktime I think, but the two wrappers are independent.

Nope. For Vegas, the only systems that support installable codecs are VFW (AVI) and Quicktime (MOV). For everything else, you have got what ya got and no more.

Vegas does not support DNxHD in general and the Avid codec pack only supports Quicktime MOV.

I do understand that, Norman, but thanks for clarifying.
And thanks for reading again from the top.
;?)

Thanks to all that replied.
I was afraid of the incapability with Vegas, I use Vegas, Premiere and Lightworks and was hoping for a common codec to use as an intermediate. Cineform is broken on Win 8 and in PremiereCC.
Premiere and Lightworks both now export to DNxHD MXF and I send my work to a Avid editor for broadcast so it would have been great.
The QT version of DNxHD only works in the 32 bit version of Lightworks.
The only thing that seems to work other than uncompressed in all 3 NLE's +AE is XDCAM HD 50.

>Nope. For Vegas, the only systems that support installable codecs are VFW (AVI) and Quicktime (MOV). For everything else, you have got what ya got and no more.

Almost. AVI, MOV and MXF.

I found this information on the Creative Cow forums:
Download ffmbc

ffmbc -y -i Capture0001V.mxf -i Capture0001A1.mxf -i Capture0002A1.mxf -vcodec copy -map_audio_channel 1:0:0:0:1 -map_audio_channel 2:0:0:0:1 -acodec pcm_s16le -ac 2 -f mov Capture0001.mov

>Almost. AVI, MOV and MXF.

How does one install an arbitrary codec for MXF files?

One of the Windows media systems?
Video for Windows? DirectShow? Media Foundation?
AFAIK Vegas does not support DirectShow or Media Foundation.

Quicktime system?

direct into Vegas?

How does it show up in the Vegas render dialog?

I am quite curious about this since it seems Vegas is a closed system except for VFW and QT. I myself have wished Vegas would read DNxHD in MXF files.

[I]" I myself have wished Vegas would read DNxHD in MXF files."[/I]

This shouldn't be that much of an ask.
Both MXF and DNxHD are SMPTE standards. AFAIK there's no licensing fees payable to implement MXF. DNxHD might attract a fee but it has to be available to everyone for the same fee.
The only impediment to SCS [I]fully[/I] implementing MXF as an extensible wrapper is.......?

Bob.

It would be much easier if it were about Sony supporting a wrapper.

DNxHD MXF is a proprietary codec.
Supported on Media Composer, NewsCutter, Symphony, Avid DS, and Interplay Assist. Very much a licensing issue.

The Quicktime LE codecs are for the rest of us.

[I]"DNxHD MXF is a proprietary codec."[/I]

That's too simplistic a statement.
DNxHD is a SMPTE registered codec and by SMPTE giving it their stamp of approval Avid have to accept their terms and conditions which require Avid to license it to anyone and at a fixed fee.

[I]"Supported on Media Composer, NewsCutter, Symphony, Avid DS, and Interplay Assist. Very much a licensing issue."[/I]

Your list is far from comprehensive.
Pretty well every video recorder today supports DNxHD:

Sound Devices PIX range of recorders
Black Magic Design's range.
Atamos Samurai.
AJA KiPro range.

The last two originally offered only Prores. Avid DNxHD has since been offered as a free upgrade because no one in the industry likes proprietary codecs such as ProRes.


Bob.

"

Understood.
That however, is not the topic.
Do take the time to re-read from the top, including my initial response.

MXF is a SMPTE registered wrapper and DNxHD is a SMPTE registered codec.

I cannot find anything on the Avid site that specifically relates to DNxHD MXF, I did find their document on DNxHD which has this to say:

[I]"Avid applications store Avid DNxHD material natively inside industry-standard MXF files, ensuring open accessibility by other MXF-aware applications.
In addition, the source code for Avid DNxHD is licensable free of charge, and is available through the Avid website as a download to any end user who
wants to compile it on any platform."[/I]

I also found that the Alexa stores DNxHD in a MXF wrapper using OP1a which is part of the SMPTE MXF standard, so there's nothing proprietary going there and I know of nothing the other manufacturers are up to to suggest some conspiracy between them and Avid to use some proprietary version of MXF and DNxHD. If that were the case there'd be a right royal screaming match going on.

Even without using Avid's code to natively support DNxHD in a MXF wrapper the essence data in the MXF wrapper would tell Vegas what it is and I don't see any speed bump to prevent code passing that to Quicktime to decode. Not the most elegant solution for sure but workable

Bob.

OK, back on topic.

In addition to Avid Media Composer, NewsCutter, Symphony, Avid DS, and Interplay Assist, which nonproprietary editing applications have native or even third-party support for DNxHD MXF (not DNxHD Quicktime)?

Not Vegas, not Adobe, not Final Cut, not Edius, not even Pinnacle (which is owned by Avid).

"Avid has also created a QuickTime HD codec that can be downloaded free of charge, for Mac OSX and Windows XP. With this codec, DNxHD media can be used seamlessly in QuickTime compliant applications such as Adobe After Effects or Apple Final Cut Pro. The Avid DNxHD codec allows additional flexibility on systems without having the Avid editing software installed to fit any type of workflow needed."

[I]"In addition to Avid Media Composer, NewsCutter, Symphony, Avid DS, and Interplay Assist, which nonproprietary editing applications have native support for DNxHD MXF (not DNxHD Quicktime)?"[/I]

I'm confused by your question, pretty well all editing systems are proprietary so without going any further the answer has to be none.

If I take the "proprietary" out of your question then certainly more than what Avid have to offer. FCP X according to Arri can read footage from the Alexa regardless of it being recorded as ProRes in a QT wrapper or DNxHD in MXF. Now that does require a 3rd party plugin but I'm uncertain if that also includes the handling of the Alexa's Log C gamma curve and that being converted to Rec 709.

I would add this though. Just because no one else has done it doesn't prove there's any impediment to SCS doing it. After all Vegas was the first NLE to offer native editing of R3D files which certainly garnered them some notice in the industry, not as much as they deserved but that's a different discussion.

Also as you pointed out in a previous post there's a piece of freeware code that can rewrap DNxHD / MXF to DNxHD / QT. For that to happen I'd suggest there's no magic source being employed ny Avid.

I'd also ask, why would Avid risk all the drama attendant with doing something "proprietary", as I see it especially at the pointy end of the business it would gain them nothing and lose them a lot. The more systems such as compositing apps that can read their DNxHD / MXF the better acceptance Avid's NLEs garner in the industry.

Realistically I believe it would make a lot of sense for SCS to support DNxHD / MXF.

1) They're already on the MXF wagon both with Vegas and with their Content Browser.
2) For anyone using any of the recorders I mentioned the choice comes down to Prores or DNxHD.

Bob.

"I'm confused by your question, pretty well all editing systems are proprietary so without going any further the answer has to be none.:

Please indulge me, Bob, and re-read the entire thread from the top, including my initial response, which I stand by. Then, all confusion should resolve itself.

DNxHD MXF (bundled) works with Avid NLE systems (except Liquid), and DNxHD Quicktime (free download) was created for the rest of us lowly editors.

That's the correct answer to the topic question as far as I'm aware, and if correct, is not subject to equivocation or speculation at this point in time. Last post here by me.
;?).

[I]"Please indulge me, Bob, and re-read the entire thread from the top, including my initial response, which I stand by"[/I]

I did and I have again.
I was replying to a comment by NormanPCN, specifically :

[I]" I myself have wished Vegas would read DNxHD in MXF files."[/I]

That was in reply to royfphoto's initial post, not yours.

My reply and your response has no connection to your initial response.
Perhaps your misunderstanding might be cleared up if you switched to threaded view.

Bob.

Not to throw gas on a fire but the new Premiere CC does import and export DNxHD MXF as does LIghtworks

royfphoto,
the people whose fire you need to throw some gas on is SCS and the way to do that is via the suggestion box. It's at the bottom of the Support menu at the top of the page.

Bob.

"Not to throw gas on a fire but the new Premiere CC does import and export DNxHD MXF as does LIghtworks"

That's what I missed, and so the reason I thought (and complained) that the thread was taken off topic. My apologies esp. to Bob, and I'll remember that I might not always have the latest information.

In this case, gas put out the fire.
;?)