Do Vegas Pro 14 and 13 support CPU with hyperthreading?

igniz-krizalid wrote on 2/15/2017, 6:43 PM

Hi,

I'm planning to build another pc with the upcoming Zen CPU, I'd like to get the high end R7 1800X 8 cores/16 Threads, Does Vegas Pro take advantage of multiple Threads or just true cores? if not I could just built an R5 1600X 6 cores/12 threads (less $$)

In general do any NLEs support hyperthreading or is it a waste of money? I use Vegas, Edius, VPX6 etc

I recently downgraded to KabyLake Pentium 2 cores/4 threads and it was a disaster, I couldn't even play a 4K video in VP14 smoothly so I went back to i7 6700K, now it is working as "normal" and it was clear to me that more cores is needed but what about multiple threads? thanks

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MSI X370 Pro Carbon, R7 1800X, OC Nitro RX 480 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 14, 850 EVO 500GB SSD, Dark Rock 3 cooler, Dark Power Pro 11 650W Platinum, Serenade PciE CM8888 Sound Card, MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Second PC:

Z170XP-SLI, i7 6700K, Nitro R9 380 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 16, MX200 500 SSD, MasterAir Pro 4 cooler, XFX PRO 650W Core Edition 80+ Bronze, Xonar D1 7.1 Ch Sound Card, NEC MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 pro 64bit

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NormanPCN wrote on 2/15/2017, 7:36 PM

A physical CPU core that supports hyper-threading exposes two logical cores which run on the physical core. All software that supports multi-threading will use any CPU core. There is nothing special or unique about hyper-threading. Both logical cores are equal full cores as far as any software is concerned.

astar wrote on 2/15/2017, 9:42 PM

Yeah that Ryzen looks really nice for the money.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/

I would choose your CPU based on the best Integer performance you can get, then the best GFLOP performance.

The Vega GPU that should ride along with that is expected to be in the 12TFLOP or 12,000 GFLOP range. So the combination would be pretty nice for Vegas. Plus the Vegas is going to have a Hyperthread like ability for GPU. AMD boards generally have better accessory connectors than the DMI bottle neck of Intel designs. The CPU performance until now has been the limiting factor with AMD CPUs.

You do not get something for nothing in terms of cores. Hyperthreading is supported by the OS, and application generally does not see that low. HT just fills the gaps between the cars on a busy freeway, so that they are bumper to bumper. This increases performance, but not a performance increase of actually having more HT cores.

Vegas these days requires 8+ HT cores for recommended operation. With 8 cores, the memory requirements goes up. 4-8GB per core is generally the rule of thumb. Make sure to choose high density memory DIMMS, and not just fill the board. Place pairs in the dual or quad channel slots and no more. Most memory controllers will not operate fully populated slots in dual channel mode unless the memory is highly matched. Any difficulty in operating in dual channel mode, and the controller will drop back to single channel mode.

How the x370 chipset connects to the Ryzen CPU will be interesting. If they cheap out, the X99 may still offer more overall IO bandwidth, even though the CPU performance is where it needs to be. I have not seen an official chipset block diagram from AMD. If someone knows of one, link it.

Red Prince wrote on 2/15/2017, 9:42 PM

Does Vegas Pro take advantage of multiple Threats or just true cores?

Exactly what NormanPCN said. It is the operating system (so, Windows in this case) that decides which application thread is assigned to which hardware core/thread (not any threat, though 😏).

Vegas not only supports multiple threads, it even lets you configure how many rendering threads to use. It is generally recommended you set that value to one less than the total number of threads your hardware supports. So, if you choose a 16-thread CPU, set it to 15; if you choose a 12-thread CPU, set it to 11. That also means that if you go with the 16-thread CPU, your videos should render about 15/11 (roughly 1.4) times faster than using the 11-thread CPU. However, the choice of the GPU will affect the speed as well.

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igniz-krizalid wrote on 2/15/2017, 10:17 PM

Yeah that Ryzen looks really nice for the money.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/

I would choose your CPU based on the best Integer performance you can get, then the best GFLOP performance.

The Vega GPU that should ride along with that is expected to be in the 12TFLOP or 12,000 GFLOP range. So the combination would be pretty nice for Vegas. Plus the Vegas is going to have a Hyperthread like ability for GPU. AMD boards generally have better accessory connectors than the DMI bottle neck of Intel designs. The CPU performance until now has been the limiting factor with AMD CPUs.

You do not get something for nothing in terms of cores. Hyperthreading is supported by the OS, and application generally does not see that low. HT just fills the gaps between the cars on a busy freeway, so that they are bumper to bumper. This increases performance, but not a performance increase of actually having more HT cores.

Vegas these days requires 8+ HT cores for recommended operation. With 8 cores, the memory requirements goes up. 4-8GB per core is generally the rule of thumb. Make sure to choose high density memory DIMMS, and not just fill the board. Place pairs in the dual or quad channel slots and no more. Most memory controllers will not operate fully populated slots in dual channel mode unless the memory is highly matched. Any difficulty in operating in dual channel mode, and the controller will drop back to single channel mode.

How the x370 chipset connects to the Ryzen CPU will be interesting. If they cheap out, the X99 may still offer more overall IO bandwidth, even though the CPU performance is where it needs to be. I have not seen an official chipset block diagram from AMD. If someone knows of one, link it.


Yeah, I'm planning to upgrade to Vega gpu when it comes out, there's still a couple months for it so no worries there, I will take your other advice aswell thanks

Main PC:

MSI X370 Pro Carbon, R7 1800X, OC Nitro RX 480 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 14, 850 EVO 500GB SSD, Dark Rock 3 cooler, Dark Power Pro 11 650W Platinum, Serenade PciE CM8888 Sound Card, MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Second PC:

Z170XP-SLI, i7 6700K, Nitro R9 380 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 16, MX200 500 SSD, MasterAir Pro 4 cooler, XFX PRO 650W Core Edition 80+ Bronze, Xonar D1 7.1 Ch Sound Card, NEC MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 pro 64bit

igniz-krizalid wrote on 2/15/2017, 10:25 PM

A physical CPU core that supports hyper-threading exposes two logical cores which run on the physical core. All software that supports multi-threading will use any CPU core. There is nothing special or unique about hyper-threading. Both logical cores are equal full cores as far as any software is concerned.


For some strange reason I thought that hyperthreading was like having a vtec engine, the more you press the gas the fastest you go, but astar described it as this "HT just fills the gaps between the cars on a busy freeway, so that they are bumper to bumper. This increases performance, but not a performance increase of actually having more HT cores", it's clear to me how TH really works now, thanks Norman

Main PC:

MSI X370 Pro Carbon, R7 1800X, OC Nitro RX 480 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 14, 850 EVO 500GB SSD, Dark Rock 3 cooler, Dark Power Pro 11 650W Platinum, Serenade PciE CM8888 Sound Card, MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Second PC:

Z170XP-SLI, i7 6700K, Nitro R9 380 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 16, MX200 500 SSD, MasterAir Pro 4 cooler, XFX PRO 650W Core Edition 80+ Bronze, Xonar D1 7.1 Ch Sound Card, NEC MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 pro 64bit

igniz-krizalid wrote on 2/15/2017, 10:34 PM

Does Vegas Pro take advantage of multiple Threats or just true cores?

(not any threat, though 😏).

oopss my bad, I will go with any 8/16 cores, I will do my best to get the highest clocked speed from Zen

 

 

 

Main PC:

MSI X370 Pro Carbon, R7 1800X, OC Nitro RX 480 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 14, 850 EVO 500GB SSD, Dark Rock 3 cooler, Dark Power Pro 11 650W Platinum, Serenade PciE CM8888 Sound Card, MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Second PC:

Z170XP-SLI, i7 6700K, Nitro R9 380 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 16, MX200 500 SSD, MasterAir Pro 4 cooler, XFX PRO 650W Core Edition 80+ Bronze, Xonar D1 7.1 Ch Sound Card, NEC MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 pro 64bit