Does Vegas 5 import 5.1 dts encoded files?

lynnsp wrote on 4/23/2004, 3:33 PM
Does Vegas 5 import dts 5.1 audio files? I don't see this listed as a feature for audio streams. I use 5.1 ac3 as a stream, but I also need to be able to import my dts 5.1 audio files created from surcode as alternate streams.

Unbelievably, the only dvd authoring program I'm finding that will do this for sure (that is, not counting Scenarist) is the little two hundred dollar dvdlab pro that's just being released. Maybe dts import is available on Vegas 5 and I just missed it in the specs?

Anyone?

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Spot|DSE wrote on 4/23/2004, 4:27 PM
Nope.
farss wrote on 4/23/2004, 4:42 PM
Spot or someone else might correct me on this but I got the feeling from a recent stint in cinemas that DTS was going the way of the Dodo, don't know anything about it so I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but it does seem to be a thing.
donp wrote on 4/23/2004, 4:59 PM
The encoder for DTS costs over $1000 I doubt it would see much use of it here. There is nothing in Vegas 5.0a the will handle DTS.
BJ_M wrote on 4/23/2004, 5:55 PM
DTS is doing EXTREMLY well ... we use it just about exclusivly for cinema ..

dts on dvd's has increased a lot also (dvd and cinema are two different dts technologies)

not many dvd authoring apps will take a dts stream , then again - not many (untill recently) will take a 5.1 AC3 stream either ..

its not hard to add a DTS stream to a dvd project- even the free ifoedit can do it , but consumeer dvd authoring apps don't really need it because as mentioned, it costs a lot for dts encoding ..

ac3 5.1 encoding - up to about a year ago was also expensive -- now that even free ac3 5.1 encoders and as well as under 100$ are around -- it changed a few things .. if enough people request it , i'm sure sony can add it as a feature ..
Hunter wrote on 4/23/2004, 7:38 PM
I use BeSweet to decode in to 6 mono wav files, it works with my DD AC3 files. Never tried DTS files. BeSweet is free and comes as commandline but there is GUI for it. I decode 2:30min ac3 file in about 15 seconds.

Hunter
BJ_M wrote on 4/23/2004, 8:41 PM
besweet does not decode DTS files , plus he doesnt want to decode them - he wants to add them to a dvd ..

there is a way to decode dts dvd files -- but this forum not the place to get into it ...

if you can afford a DTS encoder -- you should be able to afford buying dvdlab pro (maybe not scenarist) and use it when you need it ...



Spot|DSE wrote on 4/23/2004, 9:41 PM
DTS isn't going anywhere....it's higher bitrate obviously allows for better audio. But the encoders are VERY expensive, and don't serve a whole lot of purpose in the DV/prosumer world. More for the film user. Seems like a few more of the bigger film companies are using DTS for audio on their DVDs as well, but....
DTS on the timeline would never serve a real purpose, but authoring to DTS would be nice. I doubt you'll see it in any near future for authoring, since Sony has their own format in the works. (compressed multiple channel audio)
lynnsp wrote on 4/24/2004, 9:48 AM
Thanks for the various Vegas/dts responses.

My company has been involved with dvd-a creation for the past couple of years using Minnetonka Chrome. We've only recently branched into actual dvd video and are committed to releasing dvd video with stereo, 5.1 ac3, and 5.1 dts streams on all product. Without Scenarist.

Yes, I already have encoded dts files via Minnetonka Surcode in both .cpt and .dts formats. I'm just surprised that Vegas 5..at 600 dollars or whatever it is, has capability for multiple audio streams ...yet ....no capability to add .cpt or .dts encoded files. There is no cost to Sony to have the import feature (ie..no licensing to dts) because there is no encoding going on...just import capability is needed.

As far as folks saying dts is a dead format...or not needed, well I think folks haven't noticed that all dvd players currently made...and all home surround receivers currently made...do indeed have dts as a decoding and playback option. If I am creating dvd content, I am obligated to create an audio stream that contains a stereo discrete or downmix, an ac3 5.1 stream, and a dts surround stream. If I'm a hobbyist at home, maybe the multiple stream format isn't necessary. But I'm not a hobbyist. I'm creating product that must work with all audio streams offered on every piece of dvd/surround equipment sold at the local Sears and Best Buy (sacd being the exception for the time being)

Aside from Scenarist, I'm just not sure why Vegas (and even Adobe products) don't have the dts import capability. I'm actually a little surprised that Sonic's Dvd Producer also doesn't have dts import...and it's still up around two grand at this point.

I've been watching the development of dvdlabpro because it will import all audio stream formats including dts...and it appears that those folks are seriously aggressive about bringing a full function dvd authoring app to market at 200 dollars in the next 30-60 days. I'm still not sure what one gets for two hundred dollars, but I'm definitely watching their progress.
Rednroll wrote on 4/24/2004, 10:07 AM
"There is no cost to Sony to have the import feature (ie..no licensing to dts) because there is no encoding going on...just import capability is needed"

While Yes, there is no encoding going on, there is certainly decoding going on so you can decode the dts stream into seperate audio tracks. So yes, there would be a cost, due to the decoding.