Double Chromakeying

JaysonHolovacs wrote on 6/14/2004, 2:33 PM
Disclaimer: I'm newto video and editing, so please forgive me if I'm saying/doing something stupid.

I've got some old captured VHS footage that has white titles on a black background. Using Vegas' chromakeyer, I can filter out the black and put the white text over video, which is pretty cool. Sure, this is overkill and perhaps I should have just used Media Generator text, but I wanted to try this. This worked fine and wasn't hard.

Now the kicker: Is there any way with child compositing and such to ALSO chromakey out the white text also and replace it with a colored noise pattern? I tried a bunch of things with different compositing modes and I couldn't get anything that worked.

So, to reiterate: I want to chrmokey one color out of an image and replace with video, and chromakey another color out of the image and replace THAT with DIFFERENT video.

Any thoughts? Or is this just too crazy of a way to use the tool?

-Jayson

Comments

jetdv wrote on 6/14/2004, 6:28 PM
Take a look at the latest issue of my newsletter
logiquem wrote on 6/14/2004, 7:52 PM
Why not just add a second Chromakeying filter in the plugin chain? I do this all the time for fine tuning.
jetdv wrote on 6/14/2004, 8:17 PM
You'd be better off removing ALL of the chroma keys, setting up the parent/child relationship, apply multiply (mask) to the parent track, and apply the mask effect to the clip. This is the technique used in the newsletter.
Sr_C wrote on 6/14/2004, 8:29 PM
A very easy way would be to:

Key out just the white text and place above your noise texture and then render out just that clip creating a black background with the text "noise" that you want.

Then take that rendered clip and put it over your video and key out the black.

This will work and is very simple as long as the noise/texture that you want in the lettering does not contain any blackl
JaysonHolovacs wrote on 6/16/2004, 7:31 AM
Thanks for the help. The newsletter idea worked. Of course, I screwed up and realized that after rendering for 3 hours overnight that the multiply composition setting had turned my entire project(other than the title screens) black! Oops. Stupid. Should have used a new track for this stuff instead of doing it on my main video track.

I quick-fixed this to get it started rendering by putting a white sold generated event from the beginning to end on that child track, so it's basically multiplying the whole project by white. I BELIEVE this produces an unchanged version of the original image, like multiplying a number by 1. Is this true? Are there some round off errors that might result in slight degradatiaon of quality, or should this produce a perfect replica of the original? Although, this is probably going to kill my render time. I'll fix it to separate tracks later I guess.

I assume there's no way to change a track's composition mode(like from multiply to alpha) halfway through, like via keyframes?

Also, can anyone explain the way composition behaves to me a little better. The article was very clear on how to do that effect, but I didn't get a sense of what I was really doing and how to apply that knowledge to create something different. I understand the different composition modes, but I don't understand the relationship of all the different clips to each other. If I have a parent and a child and another video track underneath those, I have 4 separate composition settings to play with(the child's, the parent's normal setting, the parents "parent setting" over on the left, and the final track's setting). Which setting affects what?

Thanks to anyone taking the time to enlighten a newbie.
ebenfield wrote on 6/16/2004, 10:36 PM
EXCEPT... If the noise pattern has black in it, the chromakeyer will key out that as well.