Double layer disk only plays back first half

KenJ62 wrote on 7/16/2010, 12:02 PM
This disk hangs at the layer change in a Sony BDP-BX2 Blu-ray player and in VLC and Media Player Classic Home Cinema on the PC using the burner as a player. The disk starts getting read errors, pausing momentarily and restarting as it gets to the layer change in a Sony upconverting DVP-NS71HP.

Wedding video - 105 minutes - appears to burn successfully but DVDAS5 gave an error message:

The drive has received an illegal command.

'SFMMCX'-(17)
''-(3)
-'HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30 1.00'-(0)
Module d:\source\sonic3\release\dvdarchitect\studio5.0\cddrvs\sfcd\sfmmcx.cpp Line 2187
An illegal request was received.
Write error occurred. Invalid address for write found.

Status: 00020202
Command: 2a 00 00 1c fe a0 00 00 20 00
Sense: 05 21 02
Info: 00 00 00 00
Specific: 00 00 00
Extra: 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 00 00 00

Has anyone gotten this message and a solution?

This is just a test burn and I have successfully burned a 95 minute, earlier iteration of this project before. Media is Philips DVD+R DL rated at 8X which I have been burning at 4X. I know this is cheaper media but, as I said, I have gotten successful burns previous.

Burner is a rather new LG Blu-ray model WH10LS30. I tend to iron out my mistakes using cheap media so I know that may be a significant factor but I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this problem and gotten beyond it.

Comments

musicvid10 wrote on 7/16/2010, 12:22 PM
1) Don't use cheap media. Use T-Y or Verbatim.
2) Always use the break point DVDA suggests. Don't pick your own.
3) Don't burn at full speed.
3) Many home players are touchy with burned DL discs anyway. Test the product on several different models.

You can prepare with DVDA and burn with ImgBurn. Always a good alternative, esp. when troubleshooting.
KenJ62 wrote on 7/16/2010, 1:03 PM
Thanks for the reply. Standard response, I realize.

1) Can you get Verbatim DL media for 22 cents each? I just paid nearly a dollar for 2.4X Ridata DL disks which I intend to send out. Verbatim costs even more as far as I've found.
2) I accepted the the default.
3) I burn at half speed - the only other option DVDAS5 gives is 4X.
4) My players have been remarkably good at playing burned media. I had to say "Oh, oh!" when saw the Sony upconverter stumbling. This particular disk is not so good.

So far, I am quite happy with the stability of VMS10HDP and DVDAS5.
musicvid10 wrote on 7/16/2010, 1:20 PM
I pulled that 22c number after I realized it was for SL. My bad.

I've had no coasters with DL in DVDA Pro 5 following the "standard advice." But I don't deliver DL to my clients, either.

I can't even get branded Ritek SL media (Ridata, Memorex, Philips) to work reliably on my burner. If you compare completed burns using error analysis, you will see why.

I suggested ImgBurn to rule out conflicts with your burner firmware. There is also a setting to Autodetect your drive in Preferences if there is a conflict.
KenJ62 wrote on 7/16/2010, 2:45 PM
A couple of years ago I was noising my displeasure with burned DVD reliability by calling for a giant class-action lawsuit. Seems as though media and burners have improved somewhat since then so I have simmered down. The "standard" for burned SL media is still T-Y although I have been having success with Sony off-the shelf. And DL media is Verbatim although I HAD been having success with the Philips and Ritek.. I was hoping to get by somewhat cheaper. Quality DL media is priced nearly as high as BD media!

I was under the assumption that Ritek/Ridata disks were one of the more reliable brands. Seems like I used them before without problems. I have quite a stock of T-Y SL disks - know about them.

I don't produce commercially but what do you do for your customers when then a project runs well over an hour? Do you break it up into two SL disks?
musicvid10 wrote on 7/16/2010, 4:20 PM
what do you do for your customers when then a project runs well over an hour? Do you break it up into two SL disks?

I regularly deliver 1:45 per disc with no quality complaints. Careful bitrate control and a calculator make the difference. If the program runs two hours or more, I deliver a two disc set.
TOG62 wrote on 7/16/2010, 4:29 PM
Personally, I'd happily burn 105 mins on an SL disc. I find quality quite acceptable up to about 2 hours.

Although I've had the odd success with other brands the only consistent results I've had on DL have been with Verbatim.

Mike
KenJ62 wrote on 7/16/2010, 4:38 PM
Wow! Thanks for sharing.

The HDV sources I have hold up pretty well but with the 8mm conversion project I just completed for a friend the video starts getting pretty iffy looking at about 100 minutes. I was thinking for a quality keepsake such as a wedding I wouldn't want to push the compression so far. But I will try a single-layer T-Y and see.
musicvid10 wrote on 7/16/2010, 4:55 PM
"iffy"

You are probably seeing problems in shadows, transitions, and fades. Start here for 100 min :

2- pass VBR
Max 9,500,000
Avg 5,800,000
Min 1,500,000 (the default of 192,000 is inadequate)

That assumes 224Kbs audio. If you have no audio track, you could go as high as 6,000,000 ABR.
musicvid10 wrote on 7/16/2010, 5:07 PM
"8mm conversion project"

You will want to see johnmeyer's post here:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=719169
KenJ62 wrote on 7/18/2010, 11:10 PM
8mm video tape. Last winter, when I was evaluating VMS9P, I got out a capture from that project, a particularly poor recording during bad weather with poor color balance. I had been using Premier Elements version 2 which is a very fine NLE but I was able to get better correction with VMS. I was looking for an editor for HDV files too so I made the switch!

I bought 50 Ritek DVD+R DL 2.4X for this wedding project so after making some final corrections I went ahead and started burning the Riteks. So far, not one coaster. The layer breaks are reasonably quick and all functionality is there. My only complaint with these Riteks is they have the old 1.56 inch center hub which gives so much less area to print on.

I haven't figured out yet where to specify in DVDAS5 2-pass VBR and the various bitrates.
musicvid10 wrote on 7/19/2010, 8:43 AM
I haven't figured out yet where to specify in DVDAS5 2-pass VBR and the various bitrates.

You don't. You have no control of DVDA rendering. Perhaps you will want to consider upgrading to VMS 10.
KenJ62 wrote on 7/19/2010, 2:13 PM
I am running VMS10HD Platinum. Did you mean the Pro versions? It would only cost me another $485 usd. I built my whole quad-core rig for that kind of money.
musicvid10 wrote on 7/19/2010, 3:38 PM
No, I don't mean Vegas Pro. Three posts up you said VMS9, so that is what I was going on.

Vegas Movie Studio 10 has full control over MPEG rendering functions. The controls are exposed by clicking the "Custom" tab.

You will select the appropriate DVD Architect template from the MPEG-2 file type, and adjust your bitrate settings accordingly to keep the file size appropriate to your media. Use the videohelp.com bitrate calculator to determine this.

Good luck to you.

KenJ62 wrote on 7/19/2010, 9:47 PM
Hey, musicvid, your contributions here are greatly appreciated. I try my best not be obnoxious or a pest, and even try to contribute sometimes myself. Three posts up I also said, I haven't figured out yet where to specify in DVDAS5 2-pass VBR and the various bitrates. And, eleven posts before that, So far, I am quite happy with the stability of VMS10HDP and DVDAS5. I started out with VMS9P and had it only two months before v10 came out - got a reasonable upgrade price.

It still hadn't occurred to me that I needed to select 2-pass and change bitrates when rendering out of VMS10. I thought that was all done in the authoring software. I did find the bitrate functions as you described. Obviously, I used the defaults (1-pass VBR 9.5Mbps, 6Mbps, .192Mbps! DVD and 30Mbps, 25Mbps, 20Mbps BD). Learned something new today! Thanks.

Well, I just finished my wedding project. I made 11 Ritek DVD+R DL disks and 6 Ritek Blu-ray disks. I thoroughly checked the performance of all those disks and they were perfect. And, I might add they were beautiful. In fact, my wife thinks the standard-definition DVDs are plenty good enough, image wise. She thinks no one will really notice the difference! (viewed on upscaling player into an HDTV). Now, all I have to do is finish inkjet printing the labels.

I rendered a Sony .w64 audio file, an .mpg standard-definition and an.m2v high-definition video file out of my project. All scene markers were placed in the editor. When I was through authoring the standard-definition DVDs I simply replaced the video track with the .m2v and went ahead with the Blu-ray disks. The project was 1 hour, 45 minutes and each Blu-ray disk took 42 minutes to burn after the initial disk prep. The Ritek BDs were rated 4X and DVDAS5 allowed ONLY 2X burn rate. I was able to stumble through the process and I am happy to consider this project a success! Perhaps this info will help someone.