Boy I sure hope not. Everybody goes for convenience on their little portable players. Yuck, no sound qauilty at all compared to a Blu-ray disk with DTS Master HD and a good playback system. I hope your wrong and more music is released on a Blu-ray disk.

I take you have never watched a concert on Blu-ray with DTS Master HD or Dolby True HD.

Check out John Mayer's Where the Light Is - Live in Los Angeles or any of Clapton's Crossroad Concerts.

Of course it helps to have a good receiver such as Sony's ES series.

Sony is investing a lot money into their new software Blu-Print which has these encoders but it is kind of expensive.

As far as Vegas encoding 5.1 Surround you still can't monitor the soundtrack in DVD Architect which you want to hear before you burn to Blu-ray. Only in stereo.

JLG - it would behoove you to understand that the reason DTS -HD is what it is and where it is soley due to complexity and cost. One -man shops won't ever touch this at production level.... buy Blu-Print if you must.
The point that was seeimingly lost is that it was pointed out that DVDAPro can accept sound uncompressed - uncompressed being the best of all worlds.

The one man shop still could buy the encoder for $1500.00 if they choose to do so.

Everything is a matter of taste. I like The Beatles you don't.

You like pizza I don't.

I like BMW's you like Mercedes-Benz.

I like Vinyl you like CDs.

I filmed my band with 4 cameras in a hour and half concert. I have already mixed the soundtrack in stereo. I want the best possible 5.1 Surround soundtrack I can get to burn to Blu-ray. I am new at mixing 6 channels. So far the mix sounds really good in Sonar 3x. I want the same dynamics when I export my 64 bit wave file into Vegas. I am not getting that. So I am fishing for suggestions. I appreciate your opinion.

I started out back in the 80's recording with tape and was told hard disk recording would be too expensive for a one man shop. Look how far we have come. I am always looking for improvements for us one man shops. Thanks again.

JLG,
Whoa there. Throwing your subjective impression into the mix does not make one or another format "more lossless" than uncompressed PCM.

Mathematically lossless = Mathematically lossless.
Get it?

And the point about licensing costs for Sony to put those audio encoders into its consumer software are well-taken. Just how much were you expecting to pay for your next version of Vegas?

"I want the same dynamics when I export my 64 bit wave file into Vegas. I am not getting that. "
Then you are doing something incorrectly. Vegas has full w64 support.
Audio interface settings?

I am writing to the big companies right now to stop using DTS & True Dolby encoders, use lossless dummies!

Get it?

I don't need all the stuff Blu Print includes . I just want the encoders updated on Vegas and to be able to monitor my 5.1 mix in DVD Architect.

I think maybe two hundred more dollars more for a better encoder.(Plug in maybe?) AC3 encoders are a free downloads. Give me an encoder that is better than something that been used since the late 80's exclusively. 1st generation DTS is avaliable for download for $249. But of course you can't import into Vegas & DVD Architect.

What I meant to say: When I export my 64 bit wave file from Vegas to DVD Architect and burn a Blu-ray disk using DVD Architect, I am not getting the dynamics I want. Hence a better encoder is needed

Please give me your e-mail or phone number and we will discuss this. You sound like a pretty intelligent person ot that is way you are coming across. I could use your help.Thanks again. Hope you to hear from you with your subjective impressions on life.I could probably use it.

I am pretty dumb or at least that is the way I come across.

You still need to research the licensing of DTS_HD - go there first.

But I still need an authoring software to accept the other encoders for 5.1

Just give us something better than Dolby's first generation. How's about the older encoders, EX, uncompressed Dolby, first generation DTS. A third party plug- in would be nice. It would have to be a big company like Sony or Adobe to get a different encoder license so we can purchase the software with the updated encoder. Just update the encoder for better dynamic range. Keep moving forward for us one man shops.

Last time, dynamic range is not compromised by Sony Vegas!
Find out what is causing your issue (search!) and move forward.
Sorry, but I won't have time to help you troubleshoot via a private dialog.

Are you setting DialNorm at -31 as has been suggested dozens of times on these forums?
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=866972
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=22&MessageID=655195

Last time, the compression caused by the outdated Dolby encoder is causing the file when burning from DVD Architect to Blu-ray to lose dynamics. A updated encoder would help.

Vegas is out of the picture.

What is interesting about Vegas is that it will let you burn directly from the timeline of course with better dynamics which relates to what you are saying but without disk menus. You have to import to DVD Architect for menus. There in lies the problem. No monitoring for your 5.1 mix, no menus and more compression added to your file for burning.

I don't think it would take anymore time then what you are spending checking and responding to this forum to converse with me privately. But that is your choice I respect that.

Are you saying I should be able to see & hear my 5.1 mix in DVD Architect on the timeline? After I set my perferences to 5.1 I still get stereo. Edius software does this. But they claim it will burn the AC3 to disk even if the timeline shows stereo.

The AC3 file does not compresss when you burn to disk? Wouldn't a better encoder create a more dynamic soundtrack than an AC3?

I am never resistant to knowlegeble from people like yourself. I appreciate your time & effort. And if you say it so then it must be gospel. All I have is my ears so I must be going deaf.

Stay with me my friend.

You are just hopping all over the place... I don't see how someone who isn't even prepared to mix and produce 5.1 wants his hands on DTS-HD. Ain't goin happin!

In order to verse yourself - you need to research 5.1 topic a lot more than you have.
Stereo mixdowns are common place in preview tools, and even in the hardware playback of any given system.
1) High Production skills are highly necessary after you have mastered 5.1 sourcing.
2) ACPro-3 license is distributed in DVDAPro - not in anything less.
3) 99% of one-man shop 5.1 mixes are abominable - so in order to master that 1% you have got to prove yourself.

Sorry I have ADHD. Thanks for keeping up with me. I take you have never done a 5.1 mix. If Vegas will let you monitor a 5.1 mix why won't DVD Architect?

5 years ago if you would have told me I would be mixing in 5.1 I wouldn't have listened. I bet you a cup of coffee we will get access to better encoders and software, watch and see. Dolby gave up their old AC3 encoder and moved on. May take a minute. I started out with 8 bit files now I am using 64 bit files

Let's move forward and not be stuck in stereo. If you mix and everybody else mixes more in 5.1 maybe we can help each make it better. Let's see where this goes.Take a chance!

I am going to go out on a limb and give you a link to my stereo mix on You Tube.
You sound like you know what you are talking about but sometimes you talk down.
Criticize all you like, I welcome it. You have to a thick skin to go on these forums, a lot of intelligent people in here. But be warned if you decide to listen, I am old and try to play classic rock. It is not the playing bad that brothers me it is the sound I got with the limited equipment I have.



Keep in Touch.

sounds like stereo here

Forget about 5.1 preview in Architect.
Use multichannel uncompressed pcm audio on your bluray, not AC3.
Honestly, I don't know any way to say this.

It is stereo. What kind of monitor system are you using? Make sure you set YouTube to 1080 P instead of the default 480p.The stereo mix was done last October. Now I want to mix in 5.1. The Vegas timeline burn sounds decent to disk which goes with what you stated. But I don't like the burn from DVD Architect. I can't even monitor the 5.1 mix DVD Architect.

I should be able to do this in every step in the process. And a better encoder to disk. It does not have to be DTS Master HD just something better what you get with DVD Architect. Like I said before you can purchase the 1st generation DTS encoder for $249 but of course the programs we are talking about won't recognize it. Just open it up a little to get better dynamics on the burn.

This is for musicvid10

You can but without menus from DVD Architect. The burn has to be done from the Vegas timeline for PCM 5.1.

DVD architect will not burn anything to disk but AC3.

I want menus for my presentation from the disk.

Have you burned a 5.1 PCM soundtrack in DVD Architect? Again I want a top menu to appear when the disks spins up with chapter selection. It is not a very good production when you put the disk in and it starts playing without a menu.

So you're using DVD Architect Studio?
And your feature request is for dts-hd, Dolby truehd, and pcm multichannel support?

DVD Architect Pro 6

You can burn from Vegas with your 5.1 PCM to a disk without any menus (Top Menu, Chapter Selection Special Features etc). The disk spins up to what the timeline exports.

After you are done editing in Vegas Pro 13 and exporting to DVD Architect Pro you lose your monitoring for 5.1. When you burn to disk it compresses to a AC3 file only.
Thus you lose your uncompressed audio. An updated version of DVD Architect Pro 6 with a newer encoder and 5.1 monitoring would be great. If a Vegas burn can do a 5.1 uncompressed transfer to disk then it can't be that hard for Sony to update Architect Pro. The code is already written for one program. Why not update in an easy fix from their software delvelopers to other program. Vegas to Architect.

A more dynamic soundtrack with 1080p video to give family and friends (and maybe a promoter for a job) on Blu-ray. For a one man shop it does not get any better than that! The artwork is also fun for your case and disk. The end game is a nice production package. Always looking to do things better if I can.

Ahh, timeline only. Your point is well taken, and I apologize for faulty memory.
Having produced many surround DVDs of live events, and without any complaints about the ac3 mixes, I may not be the best guidance.
;?)

Do not apologize. I appreciate and respect your opinions. Stay in touch.

Most people won't complain about an AC3 soundtrack beacuse they don't have the ears you and I have. And if your project is good, which I am sure that it is, what's to complain. They can't do it themselves and they probably listen to MP3 files anyway. But as much as I love music and recording I am always looking to do it better. There are few people out there who would notice your uncompressed audio if we can get it there like the big hitters.

I can't figure out why Sony would give you the ability to have a 5.1 soundtrack in Vegas but not have the proper tools in DVD Architect to burn.

Come on now a big company like Sony, this would be a easy fix (with maybe a $100 upgrade charge - Capitalism at it's best) unless I am missing something. That is why I am on these forums, to try to find out.

I was doing all my A/V in Edius 6.5. The You Tube concert was done in that program. But when I starting trying to mix 5.1 the program would not recognize external audio devices with ASIO drivers not WDM drivers. Grass Valley is another big company. I talked to a guy in California about this and he stated he has been trying for a few years to get them to use ASIO drivers which opens up uses for better and cheaper outboard gear. I think Sony has responded well to this issue for one man shops doing A/V projects. But a few more tweaks would help.

If you are going to sell this stuff to one man shops do it right. I know Sony monitors these forums and will be a long time if they do anything at all. But I keep watching and hoping.

Thanks again for all your time!

Well, it appears this thread and OP was all about menu navigation and less about getting DTS-HD. Okay, I don't like getting into recipe fights with the chef, because there is the inevitable push-back - "well, I would never do it that way!"

Lets assume that there is killer production technique to create and render wonderful 5.1 audio mixes and the ability to create a DVD with a timeline shot at direct burn. IF that works well, then assume you want navigational periods or events somewhere between start and end.
Simple - your video session includes Titling , navigation instructions, explanations of chapter advance and reverse - and then include chapter navigation. Beautiful.

Now my preference in addition to this - is double packaging of DVD ( I do this with Blu-ray all the time) - create a killer 5.1 mix on one of two discs, create stereo mix-down sampler with menu structures and back story on second disc. Package this up and sell for twice the price, with more profit in the pocket.