dual or quad core, decisions.

Zaf wrote on 5/2/2008, 6:57 AM
im currently running
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ 2.5GHz with 3gb ram. but my time line preview is appauling and im not sure why. would upgrading to a higher speed dual core or a lower speed quad core improve my playback?

im looking at either a AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ 3.2 ghz or a AMD CPU AM2 Phenom 64 Quad Core 9500 2.2ghz.

which would be better for improving play back on the timeline and for draging the cursor through the time line while its not playing so it skims through the frames as smoothly as possible?

i though my 2.5 cpu would be good enough but for some reason the play back and timeline drag through is extreamly poor.

im not too fussed about long render times i just want smooth prieview playback and time line drag through.

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baysidebas wrote on 5/2/2008, 7:08 AM
I don't have the answers you're seeking, but I have to make a comment here regarding smooth preview playback. I keep seeing all these posts about jerky playback and wonder why I'm not afflicted by this malady. My pc is no great shakes in the processing dep't, a core 2 duo [E6600] with 4GB RAM running XP1. Yet I preview just fine, even at best/full. Why would that be?

Could it be that my storage, consisting of 2 500GB Sata drives is configured as Raid 0 [where each file is split between the two drives, allowing for faster throughput of the data]? I don't know for sure whether that's the answer, but as they say, it can't hurt.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/2/2008, 7:50 AM
Intel has the faster quad's, but they cost more then the AMD Quad's. I have a Phenon 9600 & like it. It's not the fastest, but I build a whole machine (minus OS) for ~$1300 with that CPU & it's pretty snappy.

Get the next revision though: the 9550 or 9650. They fix some bugs in the original run of Phenom's.
DataMeister wrote on 5/2/2008, 11:20 AM
baysidebas, I was thinking along the same lines.

I wonder what kind of hard drive setup is feeding the data to the CPU. The problem could be either CPU or HD related. I would think an AMD 4800+ could handle a few regular DV clips with ease. A RAID 0 with 2+ drives makes a big difference in how many video streams you can play in real time. You could also put separate video clips on multiple drives, but that's always a pain when trying to keep up with what files are where.

When I run uncompressed video I can not get a decent frame rate even on a single clip. But with DV I can do 2-3 time lines (without transitions) pretty smoothly. That means I'm dealing with a HD speed issue on the uncompressed. But with the DV clips, when I add a transition or heavy processing effects, it will usually bog down. That, of course, means it's a CPU issue since I didn't change the bandwidth needs.

If the footage is Mpeg2 or Mpeg4 then those data rates are generally equal or smaller than DV but for my system are much harder to play back. In those situations it has to be the CPU decompression needs that are bogging thigns down.

Now if you determine that it is definitely a CPU (decompression or transition calculation) issue, then supposedly Vegas can make use of more cores for each clip on the time line. As to whether a super fast dual core is just as good as a slow quad core, it's hard to say. You might could check Toms Hardware to see different CPU scores on tests that make use of multiple cores like Cinema 4D and other ray tracing tests.

If you still plan to upgrade the CPU, another issue to consider is the speed of the RAM. I've seen a few AMD 64 motherboards using the older DDR 400 ram instead of DDR2 800. If that's the case then a faster CPU alone might not offer a significant improvement. And along those lines, if I were building a high def computer today, I would splurge for the Intel Xeon systems that can use 1333 ram and then a 64bit OS that can make use of 8GB+.

By the way, I can't wait to see how Vegas 64bit runs a bunch of HD clips.

johnmeyer wrote on 5/2/2008, 11:21 AM
Similar (almost identical) thread from just a day ago. Check it out for more ideas and info:

Processor Upgrade