DVD A2

Hammer wrote on 8/2/2004, 7:09 PM
I had settled on a process that used vegas for editing and rendering, Movie Factory to author and nero to burn. This had served me pretty well, but a recent upgrade to vegas 5.0 seemed to break the process. Actually it got a little more touchy with 5.0 and pretty much broken with 5b. MovieFactory doesn't recongize MPEG files vegas is rendering now. And if it does the audio begins to break up after a few minutes. Obviously that's not acceptable. Now to my real question;) Do you guys find DVDA to be a solid program compatibile with lots of burners? Can it be used on a different computer than Vegas? I edit on one machine and burn on a different machine. It's an expensive upgrade for me since this is just a hobby. I downloaded the lastest version of MF and it accepts the files from vegas, but I get the audio break up when I play the dvd's back on one of my set top players. Thanks in advance for your help.

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jetdv wrote on 8/2/2004, 8:21 PM
DVDA2 is a fine program and has worked well for me. However, you should still be able to make MPEG2 files compatible with your other programs. Perhaps you need to either use a different preset OR make your own preset with the settings you need.
JaysonHolovacs wrote on 8/2/2004, 10:49 PM
It's true, you should be able to get it to work. You ARE rendering to AC-3, not MPEG audio, RIGHT? For DVDs audio should be PCM or AC-3, otherwise the authoring program needs to convert it and this could cause the audio problems you are having.

Ulead DVD Movie Factory 3, right? I have some experience with that using the trial version before I settled on Vegas5/DVD-A2. I found it to be far inferior to DVD Architect. If all you want to do is throw simple DVDs together quickly, then it's okay. But if you want to do anything cool or have real artistic flexibility in your tools, you won't find it there. I believe ULead has a higher end DVD authoring product that may do more, but for me I'd never trade DVD-A2 for DMF3. To be fair, I believe DMF3 is about a $100 product, while Vegas+DVD list price is about $1000(you can do much better than this, price wise, though)! So, perhaps it's not fair to compare; they are in different target markets. It depends what you want and need.

Both DMF3 and Vegas+DVD are available in free trial versions that contain most of the features. I say try them out and make your own decision. DVD-A2 however will not produce output DVDs in the trial version; it will only preview the final product, so it's not much use. But, I can vouch for the fact that the final product DVDs out of DVD-A2 are just as good as you would expect from the trial.

Not to mention, the people in this forum offer EXCELLENT support. Sony should be paying the people who post here more than their own employees because they really are a great support team. Note that I'm not trying to include myself in this group as I am not expert enough to consider myself a valuable forum reasource, but there are many professionals here who use Vegas and answer questions quickly and helpfully.

As for your comment on burning though, I have to be honest, I personally have not had a lot of luck with DVD-A2 as a DVD burning software. It is great at producing the DVDs, but not at burning them. I use Roxio(just because it came with my DVD drive) to do the actual burning after DVD-A2 creates the output folders. It's a little annoying, but it's not time consuming and I really don't mind. I certainly would not sacrifice Vegas and DVD Architect over it.

Hope this opinion helps.

-Jayson
randy-stewart wrote on 8/2/2004, 11:58 PM
Hammer,
I'm using DVDA-2 with Vegas 5 and have had no problems. I burn using a Sony 510A. The only issue is DVDA-2 won't close the carriage after it completes the burn and opens to offer the DVD. I have to use another program to close the tray. I'm sure that will be fixed soon as it's not a big deal but just annoying. Others have the same problem but I don't know if it's just with Sony burners. Anyway, like Jetdv says, it's probably just a matter of picking the right template to render to. Good luck.
Randy
Hawaii Vegas Users Group
Hammer wrote on 8/3/2004, 7:50 PM
thanks for the feedback guys. Is it a stand alone program that can be used on a different machine? Up to now i've been using the DVD NTSC setting which uses mpeg layer 2 audio. I haven't really had any problems with it up to now. It does seem like the default NTSC setting would produce either PCM or AC3 doesn't it;) My needs are pretty simple, just home movies.
bStro wrote on 8/4/2004, 10:38 AM
Is it a stand alone program that can be used on a different machine?

Yes.

Rob
JaysonHolovacs wrote on 8/4/2004, 11:39 AM
If you use NTSC DVD template and get MPEG audio, one of two things will happen:
1. Your DVD software will leave the audio as it is, and it won't play in many DVD players as MPEG audio is rarely supported in set-top boxes(although PCs can often play it).

or

2. Your DVD author software will re-render the audio to PCM or AC-3 to be compatible with a normal DVD player. In this case, you have the quality loss associated with re-rendering the same signal multiple times. Also, you waste time doing 2 separate renders(although audio render times are a small fraction compared to video render time).

Bottom line: Render the audio and video separately, video as NTSC for DVD Architect template, and audio as AC-3. It's slightly less convenient but it's the right way to do it.

-Jayson
Hammer wrote on 8/4/2004, 6:46 PM
Thanks guys. I tried to render to AC3 tonight for the first time and discovered I have to buy it?? I thought it came with Vegas 5?
Liam_Vegas wrote on 8/4/2004, 6:57 PM
AC3 comes with DVDA2 (not Vegas 5). You do have DVDA2 right?
bStro wrote on 8/4/2004, 7:57 PM
His first post in this thread implies that he's trying to decide whether or not to get DVDA.

Rob
JaysonHolovacs wrote on 8/4/2004, 10:21 PM
Yes, you have to have the Vegas+DVD package to have the license for AC-3; otherwise you can get it as a separate add-in for Vegas. You can, if you want to bypass this, just render your audio to linear PCM(WAV) which should also be accepted by DVD-A2. However, I don't believe you can do surround sound with this; only stereo is supported for PCM.

Remember that these codecs are not just ways for Sony to charge you more money. I believe in most cases they are licensed from a third party(like MainConcept MPEG codec), so Sony must pay for every license they hand out. I believe this is why they won't include this stuff in their trials; they don't have the rights to do so. I think this is also why network rendering does not allow remote rendering of MPEGs: Sony is completely within their right to let you run 3 instances of Vegas for your license since they own the software, but they can't authorize you to run 3 instances of MainConcept's MPEG encoder. Unless of course they paid for 3 copies of the MC codec license with every copy of Vegas+DVD they sold, and they aren't THAT generous.

-Jayson
Hammer wrote on 8/5/2004, 9:49 AM
Thanks, I understand they have to cover their cost. I just incorrectly assumed it was part of Vegas 5 like (mpeg2). For somebody who just wants to do cool birthday movies the cost of the products really adds up;) I think i'm probably going to just have to bite the bullet and go for it. I don't see a way to use separate video/audio streams with MoveFactory. It expects a mpeg with embedded audio.
JaysonHolovacs wrote on 8/5/2004, 11:02 AM
If you want to use DMF, I think I was rendering to AVI with audio and passing that to DMF. I don't think I was using Vegas for MPEG compression during that trial. I hadn't yet learned that rendering to MPEG in Vegas was better than sending the AVI to the DVD authoring program.

Also, I'm not sure DMF does AC-3 at all; I think it may only do PCM. I'm pretty sure it encoded my AVIs as PCM. If you give it MPEG with audio, it may output MPEG with audio rather than PCM or AC-3. If so, you will go back to the era of silent 8mm home movies because most DVD players will not give you any sound. At least you won't have the projector noise! :)

And yes, MPEG-2 is included in Vegas standard, but AC-3 is only included with the DVD packeage. Perhaps because DVDs are really the only place I've seen it used. It's just another feature to add value to going to the DVD-A bundle.

I know it's not cheap, especially for a hobbyist(which is what I am too). There's no return on investment to justify the cost. You need to decide what you want to be doing. If you want to just save home videos to DVD; maybe it isn't worth it. But if you want the creative outlet of being able to edit your movies, clean them up, and add additional stuff in post production to make some really slick finished products, rather than just copies of movies on DVD, then in my opionion this package is worth the price.

And, to tell you the truth, after a couple of months, I'm not regretting the decision. It's not cheap software, but if you search the net, you can find it for better prices(hint: www.pricegrabber.com). If you haven't purchased anything already, you can get the bundle on the net. If you bought Vegas alone, then I'm not sure what your options are. Sony might offer a Vegas to Vegas+DVD upgrade, but I don't know how it works, you'll have to contact them.

-Jayson