DVD Obsolete? Why Bother? Blue Ray?

VideoGun wrote on 12/6/2004, 2:35 PM
Alright, I've got about 40 hours worth of video on Hi8 mm. My plan was to transfer to DVD but why should I bother if DVD will be obolete in a couple of years. Should I wait till BlueRay that will hold 100GB per disk?

What about HD-DVD?

Seems to me that this constant "upgrading" is making my memories fade fast (pun intended).

I am contemplating simply transfering the 8mm video to my hard disk in RAW format and keep it stored on a hard drive. I recently bought a 400GB Seagate Drive for $200 at CompUSA. It seems that one hour of "raw" video eats up about 10 gig. At this rate 40 hours of video would require a little more than 400 gb of storage. Cheaper and less time consuming than transfer, compress, burn and repeat.

I can then have a "video jukebox" of all my movies. Does anyone agree? Is this a smart plan. I could easily buy another 400 gb drive and replicate the whole thing for backup.
In the long run I could periodically burn it to the "current" media (blueray, greenray, silicon, whatever) when the time is appropriate.

Any comments

Comments

nickle wrote on 12/6/2004, 3:13 PM
Well, where to start?

My first hard drive was 40MB for $500.
My second was 128MB for $500
My 3rd was 528 for $500.
Then 5GB for $500

Each time I thought I would never fill it up. (this was before video).

About that time I bought a 4x cd burner for $500. (I waited for the prices to drop).
That allowed me to copy all my floppies and saved alot of space at increased reliability.

Now....the DVD burner gets rid of 6 or 7 Cds.
Hard drive space is dirt cheap and getting cheaper.

DVD disks getting cheaper every day.

If I would have waited, I would have saved thousands of dollars.

So logic would say "do what you have to do for what you want to do" but it will cost you.
RalphM wrote on 12/6/2004, 3:47 PM
What you refer to as RAW video has already been compressed. Assuming you are generating a DV25 file (about 4:1 compression) via an consumer level A/D converter, you will generate about 13GB per hour of video.

Converting to MPEG2 will compress by another factor of about 5 beyond the DV25 standard.

Short of going to a professional standard, your HDD idea is probably the best. I'm not sure you will be able to tell the difference between DV25 and any of the pro formats, however, when the original was Hi8 shot on a consumer level camcorder (my assumption).

It's that old dilemma - when to jump on the technology train, knowing that 6 months later something better and cheaper will appear.
scdragracing wrote on 12/6/2004, 3:47 PM
i also have hi-8 footage that needs to be archived, but the priority is to not compress it... so i'd rather not put it to dvd or dv.

i'd like to have it played back via a tbc, into one of those blackmagic cards, where it'll get stored in an uncompressed format.
epirb wrote on 12/6/2004, 3:55 PM
ouch! uncompressed avi's?
why not to at least to DV thats what I did with my old Hi8 stuff....
I dont see any reason save Hi8 quality at uncompressed avi bitrate.
in the words of Dennis Miller:
"course thats just my opinion.....I could be wrong....."
Laurence wrote on 12/6/2004, 6:57 PM
I just make DVD burnable mpeg 2 archive files. That way I can pick the material I want to burn to DVD at any given point and author a disk with no further compression since the mpeg 2 goes on to the DVD without another step of decompression/compression. It also is pretty efficient space wise.
VideoGun wrote on 12/7/2004, 7:48 AM
The problem with converting to mpeg2 of course are many fold.

1. You can't easily edit Mpeg2
2. It takes a long time to convert/compress from "RAW" video to mpeg2.

What I meant by "raw" was simply using the firewire connector on my Sony Hi8 Consumer Cam and transfering the video on it to hard drive and doing nothing else with it.

Of course, perhaps in the future there will be a way to easily edit to mpeg2. Just seems to me that storing on hard drive at today's prices (and they keep dropping) seems to make the most sense.

My biggest concern is that my DVDs will be obsolete in about 5 years. How will my kids or even grandkids be able to see these "old" videos? Instead of trying to constantly move to the next great thing, why not store it in pure digital raw format ?
My intuition tells me though that as hard drives get bigger, faster and smaller then it seems to make sense that this will eventually be the preferred medium for storage. I can get a small sandisk chip that can store 2GB! If storage technology can double every 6 month to 12 months then in 5 years I will be able to store 10GB - 20GB on a small square chip in 5 years!

Chienworks wrote on 12/7/2004, 8:09 AM
VideoGun, the firewire transfer from your camcorder isn't uncompressed. It's DV.
riredale wrote on 12/7/2004, 8:34 AM
DVD has been spectacularly successful, so I would expect the format to last for many decades. After all, we still have NTSC television, which was first developed in 1939.

Encoding to MPEG2 (DVD), if done correctly, is transparent. There will be no loss in quality. If your source is less than perfect, then you can encode at an even lower bitrate and it will still be transparent.
jkrepner wrote on 12/7/2004, 8:48 AM
No offense, but are these Hi8 tapes of the pope, or the Queen of England or Roswell Aliens, maybe Elvis live in Vegas???? I don't think NASA or Mr. Lucas archive with no compression. But, I digress....

If you have 40 hours, I'd buy a bunch of miniDV or DVCam tapes and S-video the footage to the digital realm and put the originals in a cool, dry, dark place and enjoy your memories now. Hi8 even in HD will still be Hi8 which is SD. I'd start by getting them to DV to save the originals and then go from there. DV25 has more than enough color and resolution to deal with SD footage from consumer analog format circa 1990.

Now, if you mean that you have 8mm or 16mm... then perhaps wait since those formats technically have resolution that would benefit from transferring to an HD format or uncompressed SD format.
jkrepner wrote on 12/7/2004, 8:58 AM
I meant to say 8mm or 16mm FILM.