DVD+R Burner Incompatibility HELL!!!

Listenman wrote on 6/13/2003, 12:03 AM
I know, I know...I SHOULD have purchased a DVD burner from the list, but I was feeling a little adventurous (and $ conservative) that day. I needed an external unit to move back-n-forth between my recording studio and my home system.

I picked up an external Memorex DVD+RW/+R Model 3202 3249 burner that is an excellent coaster-maker. The strange thing is is that it is recognized by my computer and Vegas, and burns +RW DVDs via InCD like a charm, but flat-out KILLS standard +R DVDs. How can that be?

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seeker wrote on 6/15/2003, 12:28 PM
Listenman,

"...+RW DVDs via InCD like a charm, but flat-out KILLS standard +R DVDs. How can that be?"

Is your Memorex DVD writer the one that is discussed in this user forum?

Memorex writer user comments

If so, by scrolling down to read all of the messages, it appears that most owners seem to be having a good experience with the Memorex. Is there a pre-formatting step that you can do with a DVD+R, or is that something that would only make sense with DVD+RW? (I have yet to take the DVD writer plunge and am still using MiniDVDs on CD-Rs and CD-RWs.)

-- Seeker --
Listenman wrote on 6/18/2003, 12:25 PM
Yes, its the same burner. I don't know about pre-formatting a standard DVD+R, but InCD is obviously doing something right, as the +RWs burn just fine. When I attempt to burn a +R, InCD says to "Insert rewritable media" and won't accept a +R (obviously).

Does anyone else have this Memorex +R burner? What am I missing? Is there software to go-between DVDA and the burner for +Rs?

If not, I need to decide what is less expensive...buying another burner or a slough of DVD+RWs... :-\
seeker wrote on 6/18/2003, 8:36 PM
Listenman,

"...but InCD is obviously doing something right, as the +RWs burn just fine. When I attempt to burn a +R, InCD says to "Insert rewritable media" and won't accept a +R (obviously)."

Obviously. But the mere fact that you are involving InCD with a DVD-R is the problem. Ahead Software's InCD is designed to prepare a rewritable disc so that you can use it like a really large floppy disc. A DVD-R is completely inappropriate for that and InCD is completely inappropriate for use with DVD-R media. You need to examine what you are doing that is erroneously involving InCD in your attempt to burn to a DVD-R. Can you give us some more information about what you are doing? So far I see no reason to blame anything on your Memorex drive.

-- Seeker --
EvilAlivE wrote on 6/19/2003, 10:52 AM
<< I know, I know...I SHOULD have purchased a DVD burner from the list >>

where is this list? i have an hp 200i dvd-rw+ drive.. and architect is not recognizing...

:(

any suggestions?
Listenman wrote on 6/19/2003, 3:49 PM
Thanks for your attention, seeker.

After shutting down ALL other programs (including InCD), I go through the proper motions to burn a DVD+R on DVDA, and after initiating the burning process, DVDA gets to about 1% before the progress bars all simultaneously flood to 100%, and I'm left with a coaster with only a visible hairline of data burnt onto the purple surface.

What more can I say?
wason wrote on 6/19/2003, 8:17 PM
I have a NEC ND1100a DVD+rw writer that DVDA is not recognizing. Typically the burn process stopped after burning the lead-in. Strangely when I use the same DVD+RW disc to burn data via Roxio Eazy CD Creator, DVDA will recognised the media and burn my whole project.
seeker wrote on 6/19/2003, 10:30 PM
EvilAliveE,

"where is this list? i have an hp 200i dvd-rw+ drive.. and architect is not recognizing..."

This is the list:

All drives that were tested for DVD Architect

The HP 200i (+RW) is on the list. You said "DVD-RW+". What does that mean?

SoFo says, "Other drives may work, but we cannot guarantee compatibility."

-- Seeker --
seeker wrote on 6/19/2003, 10:42 PM
Listenman,

"What more can I say?"

What indeed. I guess DVD Architect doesn't support the Memorex. SoFo did say, "Other drives may work, but we cannot guarantee compatibility."

So, let's go with plan B. Prepare your project per the instructions on page 51 of your DVD Architect manual. Then use Nero to burn the DVD. The following is copy/pasted from Nero's Help file:

<snip>

DVD
Nero provides you with a standard user interface that makes creating any kind of medium child's play. This also means that the tabs which define the properties of the DVD are also largely identical to those of a corresponding CD. The procedure for creating a DVD (ISO) is slightly different, for example because this kind of DVD will not always allow multisessions, so the corresponding tab will not always be available. Options like the choice of format ('Mode 1' and 'Mode 2 / XA') are not available on DVD (ISO)s, so this area is deactivated on the corresponding tab.

DVD is short for Digital Versatile Disc. On the outside, a DVD looks like a standard CD. However, it is able to store more data (currently up to 4.7 GB compared with a CD's 650 MB) as the information is stored more closely together, and the disc is written in up to four layers. This information has to be read by a special laser with a modified wavelength, which is why standard CD drives cannot read DVDs.

Nero enables you to burn the following kinds of DVD:

DVD-R
DVD-RW
DVD+RW
DVD+R

The individual steps involved in creating a DVD are no different from those involved in creating a CD. The process of creating a DVD is therefore not described separately.

You can create the following compilations on a DVD:

DVD-ROM (ISO)
Copy of a DVD
DVD-ROM (Boot)
DVD-ROM (UDF)
DVD-ROM (UDF/ISO)

To find out how to copy a DVD-ROM, for example, please refer to the section entitled 'Introduction'.

<end snip>

I would probably go with the last choice of UDF/ISO for maximum standalone DVD player compatibility. That's the choice I use to make MiniDVDs on CD-Rs and CD-RWs using Nero.

-- Seeker --
Listenman wrote on 6/20/2003, 1:22 AM
Thanks again, seeker.

I sure would appreciate Sonic Foundry going the (last) extra mile to ensure their product is compatible with as varied a list of hardware as possible. In the end, it was MY mistake to pick up this Memorex unit, and having just been laid off, I can't afford to go out and pick up another burner...making my multi-$1000 investment plop down dead at the final door, and my frustration level at bursting. For now, anyway.

If I see the words 'DVD burning' and 'child's play' in the same sentence again, my epidermous will sizzle off.

I wish I'd have bought the unit before my $300+ Vegas seminar with Douglas Spotted Eagle...
Listenman wrote on 6/20/2003, 1:39 AM
I just realized that on the recomended list, all of the drives have +RW in parenthases...does that mean that those units are +RW AND +R compatible, or just +RW?

If so, my Memorex unit is right on-par.

I wonder...if I burn my project onto DVD+RW with InCD, then copy the disc with DVDDecrypter, then re-compress it with DVD2One, THEN burn it through Nero, MAYBE I could get my DVDA project onto an affordable little DVD+R. That's a lot of freakin' work. I'll need some Yoga and quaaludes.

Sonic Foundry? Howzabouta little upgrade? Maybe DVD Architect 1.0c that streamlines the burning process for Average Joe and the affordable burners? (not a bad band name)
RBartlett wrote on 6/20/2003, 5:14 AM
If InCD is saying "Insert media" then _maybe_ the brand of +R you have hadn't been included in the Memorex firmware support at the time the unit was packaged.
All discs include a pre-burnt code on the spiral that identifies the original maker and the drive uses a lookup table to work out how fast the disc can be written, what the laser should be modulated with power wise and other such physical characteristics.

Maybe check for Memores updates. Or find who makes these drives for Memorex and consider burning their native firmware which will upset your warranty etc.

I think you have reasonable reason to return your Memorex drive as not being generally PC compatible. If InCD doesn't support some discs types or varieties, then it isn't fit for purpose, by many states' consumer protection rulings. You may need to pay a restocking fee or threat to sue etc.

As you said InCD says "Insert rewritable media", maybe InCD can be made to work? Incidentally, the only InCD application I know is the drag-and-drop UDF mode of the add-on package to Nero. I would use Nero Burning ROM, or Nero Express to burn a DVD (especially on to a writer not supported by DVDA, but still, I'd always use Nero for burning at all times). I would not expect to see a drive letter appear on the desktop and move the files to that. Maybe your InCD is something else Listenman?

If InCD is packet writing software afterall. I would also not recommend folk install such to a video editing PC. The end result can be that NTFS writes to the local disk via the driver for packet writing, which can add latency and suffer to the detriment of your preview and rendering capabilities. A personal preference with DV, but almost a requirement for PNG or low-compressed-JPG sequences and uncompressed video.
Listenman wrote on 6/20/2003, 3:05 PM
I used Memorex DVD+R & +RWs in my Memorex drive!

Thanks, I'll apply your advice and see what happens.
StepD wrote on 6/21/2003, 2:45 AM
I'm jumping in a little late on this, but I use that Memorex drive, and I've had zero problems burning +R or +RWs in DVDA. I've burned abnout 10 +Rs using Memorex media. It's been an extremely reliable drive. I've also used it with Pinnacle Impression and Instant Copy, Sonic DVDIt, DVD Lab and Nero. I haven't run into any incompatibilities.