DVD Rendering

kevinmta wrote on 4/26/2002, 11:47 PM
I have been capturing my video from a all in wounder 32 bit tv tuner card in vegas and I have been using the DVD templete to render the video No frames were dropped during capture. Then I use ulead movie factory to burn the DVD. The DVD plays all right in my computer DVD player but when I go to play it in my panasonic the one for the TV the video jumps and shakes throuhgout the whole video. I tried a few diffrent DVD player at curcuit city and the video jumped around with all DVD player I tried at the store. I woundering is there somthing I doing wrong when I render. or is it somthing else. I capturing 720x480 without compression and I'm using the same setting in my project setting and I'm using the DVD template to render. If there is somthing I should change can someone give me a hint. Thanks

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haywire wrote on 4/27/2002, 12:13 AM
More than likely, the media you are using cannot be read correctly by set top players. Try using a branded media, rather than generic media, or experiment with different reflective layers (ie. gold vs. silver) Once you find a media that works, stick with it.

Also, the make of set top player can really make a difference. I've had more luck with Sony players than any other.
owlsroost wrote on 4/28/2002, 1:05 PM
Check that the field order setting is correct - if it's wrong all the motion will be juddery.

Best way to sort out the correct setting is to render a short test file both ways round and see which field order plays back best.

Tony
vonhosen wrote on 4/28/2002, 4:26 PM
It sounds like a field order problem because if it is it would only show up on TV not on your monitor.
As a general rule DV footage is bottom field first & other than that it will depend on your capture device.
sonicboom wrote on 4/28/2002, 4:38 PM
where is the field order?
and how do you correct it?
thanks
sb
vonhosen wrote on 4/28/2002, 4:56 PM
If you are using the mainconcept encoder in Vegas Video 3.0
File>Render As>MainConcept MPEG-2>Custom>
Then half way down "Field Order"
dhill wrote on 4/29/2002, 12:49 AM
I'm certainly not an expert in the DVD arena, especially with the confusing format wars, but I can tell you that my partner and I have made many DVD's using the normal mainconcept mpeg 2 dvd-ntsc settings, creating the dvd with sonic's dvd-it se, and burning them on the Maxtor FW dvd-r drive. Every disk played fine on every machine that I have tested it on (5 of them so far) though I'm sure there are some players out there that may have problems playing them. It seems to me that the problem could be with the Ulead software settings or the burner as far as set top compatibility is concerned. You did mention that it played fine using your computer dvd player. I've read that the dvd+r or dvd+rw drives are not quite as compatible as dvd-r, but I'm noticing quite a few major manufacturers that are using the +r format (Sony, HP, etc.) so I'm a bit confused about that. I just thought I'd let you know that many of us are not having any problems as far as the VV3 mpeg compression is concerned.
vonhosen wrote on 4/29/2002, 1:19 AM
The wrong order will show up when you play the DVD on a TV. You won't see any difference when you play the video on a computer. If it is the wrong order, your picture will look very jumpy, especially in scenes where there is a lot of movement. I always use bottom field first because I use DV footage.

Field order applies to interlaced video. In interlaced video, a frame is divided into two fields. Each field contains every other horizontal line in the frame. A TV displays the first field of alternating lines over the entire screen, and then displays the second field to fill in the alternating gaps left by the first field.

I've read that DV formats always use lower field first.

For non-DV, capture cards can use either field order. In video editing, you should use the order used by the capture device.

Once you know which field order is correct for a given system, you can always use that field order without worry.
Pugsly wrote on 4/29/2002, 8:36 AM
why does everyone say when burning dvd's yo use mpg-2, but when you use the burn cd function inside vegas to dvd/vcd the only option is mpg-1?

am I missing something???

Thanks
SonyEPM wrote on 4/29/2002, 9:39 AM
The clips captured by the AIW card...are these being interpretted by Vegas as lower or upper field first?
vonhosen wrote on 4/29/2002, 10:50 AM
If kevinmta is using the default settings (I believe these are lower field first) I can only assume that the AIW card is capturing upper first. We wont know until kevinmta tries to re-render the same file with changed settings, burns to DVD and plays it on TV.
Chienworks wrote on 4/29/2002, 10:53 AM
Pugsly, Vegas won't burn DVDs directly. The option you have there is for creating VCDs which require MPEG-1. If you want to make a DVD, you will render an MPEG-2 file in Vegas, then use an external authoring program to burn the DVD.
vonhosen wrote on 4/29/2002, 11:07 AM
When you make DVDs you do use MPEG-2
If you choose multimedia CD instead of video CD it gives you the MPEG-2 option.
If you burn MPEG-2 files to a CD they are not VCDs, they are miniDVD , cDVD whichever name you want to call them and are not very well supported in set top players. They are primarily meant for playing on computers which are far more compatible with them.
See here for further info on compatible set top players with miniDVD.
http://www.vcdhelp.com/dvdplayers.php