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Softcorps wrote on 11/20/2003, 7:31 PM
1.0d may just be v1.0c with the Sony logo.

James
clearvu wrote on 11/20/2003, 8:27 PM
I'd like to know too before I run the update. What changes/fixes does this include? Possibly "end actions"???
johnmeyer wrote on 11/20/2003, 9:07 PM
I think Sony posted an answer to this about three weeks ago, namely that this would be just a release to put the Sony logo on everything. Nothing else: no bug fixes, and certainly no end actions. If this is true, and if they are still going through the bother of releasing it, I think it will still be awhile before we see anything with new features or fixes.
SonyEPM wrote on 11/21/2003, 6:44 AM
This is a rebranding release only- no bug fixes, new features, or anything else. Our new parent company wanted their name on the product, hence the update.

If DVDA 1.0c is working well for you, there's no real need to install 1.0d unless you want a Sony splash screen.
johnmeyer wrote on 11/21/2003, 8:45 AM
See my response here:

Vegas 4.0e Update

What an unfortunate waste of development resources. You've wasted a release cycle on something that will never help your bottom line.
RichMacDonald wrote on 11/21/2003, 9:08 AM
John, you are 100% correct. I feel for the Sonic programmer's who surely were forced to perform this stupid sidetrack. As a programmer myself, I've used Vegas enough, participated in this forum enough, worked offline on bug issues enough, that I have come to hold the Sonic programmers in the highest regard. They are quality people. (Most of us don't know how lucky we are to have them.) A release cycle costs $$$ and it takes programmers away from doing other productive things. Even if the programmers have the best tools and the highest level of internal organization, this is not an insignificant effort. What a waste. This is honestly the first really stupid thing I've seen out of the old/new company.

Love the company's products. But this time we need to call a spade a spade.
kameronj wrote on 11/21/2003, 12:37 PM
Well, Rich....I'm not so sure on this one.

I mean - I totally agree with you regarding the level of skill the programmers have - but if it were my company I just purchased I think the first thing I would want to do is brand it with my company name.

I mean....I put out audio (and now video) products under my company name (which is KJV Presents....if you were wondering - available at KJVPresents.com) - and I know should I happen to purchase "Hummingbird Studio" - the first thing I'm doing is rebranding everything to read KJV Presents.

aussiemick wrote on 11/21/2003, 4:10 PM
I feel this approach is only alienating the very people they need to keep the poduct alive. It must be remembered that DVDA is a product that is in house for Vegas users only, and I could not see Sony letting this keep going. Sony would want this product available for sale worldwide, keeping a product for a limited users only makes no sense for a company that has a global focus.
There will be no more versions of DVDA, just a whole new product that can be used with any application, and basically we have been beta testers for this new product. Sony may reward us for the privilage, but what frustrates me is that I wish they would say where they ARE going and in what time frame roughly they are working to.
After all we did fork out our cold hard cash for what will probably prove to be an experimental program that showed it had a lot of promise to build from but needed to be in the field to find its shortcomings (rushed by Sonic Foundry) and when Sony took over, the basis of a new product.
2 cents worth, if that
tug_hill2 wrote on 11/21/2003, 10:56 PM
I've held off buying the Vegas + DVD Architect package - waiting for the programmers to put some sort of END action function into the package.

Maybe I should be thankful that I did hold off as it does look to me that Sony will redesign the entire package and come out with a new product.

Perhaps they will coordinate the Vegas + DVD package a bit better! I'll still hold off updating my DVDit! package until I see what Sony will come up with!

Starz_Kid...
johnmeyer wrote on 11/23/2003, 12:20 PM
Rich and kameronj,

I didn't see your responses until today. Good points.

I have one additional point, meant mostly for the Sony managers:

Acquiring an asset does not require you to put your brand and logo on it, even when your brand is as highly regarded as Sony. The Avis rental car company has changed ownership thirteen times in its history, yet it is still called Avis. Some of the companies that owned it had very familiar, well-respected names, so one could argue that "re-branding" might have helped (Beatrice Foods and ITT each owned it at one point).

I am not arguing against Sony's "right" to put their name on the assets that it acquired, nor am I arguing that this is a bad thing, given the strength of the Sony brand name. What I am stating is that this could have waited until the next real release -- no harm would have been done to anyone. The Sony engineers just wasted three months, possibly more, doing this re-brand. Now we'll all have to wait until a new release and, much more important to Sony, they will have to wait many, many more months until they can have the products they need to effectively compete against Adobe and others.

You don't win by forcing your engineers to toil overtime doing this non-creative work, thus furnishing material for Scott Adams to put in his next Dilbert episode.

My son just had me watch The Two Towers. The whole last hour of the movie is an epic battle against innumerable hordes storming the gates of the city. If Sony management had been running the defense of that city, they would have ordered all the defenders to make sure they had the proper logos on their swords and spears, rather than getting them to build new weapons or invent new tactics. Pretty ludicrous, but that's what Sony just had their engineers do with their last three months.
gold wrote on 11/24/2003, 7:00 AM
John,
Your son did a fine thing getting you to watch LOR; Tolkien is the greatest and the movies capture him well. We did the Hobbit at our local theatre and it sold out consistently [I wish I had had John Ronald Reuel as an English professor]. As far as comments on 1.0 D, I also wonder why....
Gold
nickanto wrote on 11/24/2003, 5:17 PM
Forgive me for possibly being naive, but do you all honestly think that it took that long to throw some splash screens onto an already built program? Maybe you all could relax a little bit and lay off of Sony and realize that maybe, just maybe, they have a little more vision than you are giving them credit for. They are not a Fortune 500 company because they waste their time where it should not be wasted.
Baylo wrote on 11/25/2003, 9:13 AM
John,

I understand your sentiment, but I disagree with the analogy to Avis. Sony didn't buy Sonic Foundry. SF still exists (AFAIK) doing its own thing. Sony bought some software assets only and I understand completely that it would want to rebrand as a result. Hopefully it didn't take too long to accomplish, though. :-)

Mark
DavidPJ wrote on 11/25/2003, 1:07 PM
Of course Sony wanted to put there name on the product. They bought the software and I would expect them to brand it as quick as possible with their name. If I bought the software in a Sony package, and then installed it, I would hope it would say Sony when it came up on screen. New customers no knowing the history of the sofo product acquisition would be somewhat confused if it didn't say Sony.

And it's no big deal to change a splash screen anyway. C'mon, lets give Sony a hardtime when they deserve it, not for petty thngs like this. When the time comes, lets also complement Sony Media when they deserve it too.

I for one hope that Sony Media dramatically improves DVDA. I spend far too much time working in DVDA working around things that cannot be readily accomplished or easily understood.