DVDA3 not seeing markers

tharris wrote on 6/3/2005, 5:32 PM

DVDA3 does not see markers that have been created in the Vegas 6 timeline and saved as part of the MPEG file when Vegas renders a project with an embedded .VEG file containing the markers.

The makers are seen by DVDA3 if the MPEG file is rendered "normally" (not from an embedded .VEG) but straight from the original project.

Easy to recreate:

1) Create a video file with some markers present.
2) Save the .VEG project
3) Create a new project and embed the .VEG from step 2
4) Render an MPEG that will be brought into DVDA3
5) Open DVDA3 and bring in the MPEG file from step 4
6) Notice no markers are present.

Anyone else run into this? Bug? If so, in Vegas 6 or DVDA3?

Comments

johnmeyer wrote on 6/3/2005, 6:20 PM

Yes. I've told Sony about this. Markers in embedded VEG files end up looking like embedded markers in rendered files, i.e., they do not show up on the timeline, although they do show up as small, thin lines in the event itself. I've put in a request for this behavior to be changed. I wouldn't call it a bug, however, in that it is consistent with what happens to markers when you render to a file and then import that file back into Vegas. However, I'd like to see those markers able to be displayed on the timeline as well.

B_JM wrote on 6/3/2005, 7:30 PM

those markers also do not exactly translate to the exact frame I want a chapter on - i.e. should be an I frame at a chapter point and in reality they make the nearest GOP ..

Since I must have exact frame positions for chapters - it makes it useless for me to use dvda for this purpose ..

Grazie wrote on 6/4/2005, 12:42 AM

Ok, let's look at this a bit deeper . . ahem ..

When I go "Render As", I get the option to "Save project markers in media file". Why? Why is this an option? I reopen the DV-PAL avi and there they are. I can't ctrl <> to Go To each marker? But they are there. What benefit do they provide? I have often looked at them thinking I must be overloooking something - NOT the first time - oh yes! But again here we are asking why they are there.

So, what I'm asking is that I'm attempting to glean the logic for this - there must be.

. .. hmmm... interesting

Grazie

tharris wrote on 6/4/2005, 4:56 AM

Thanks for the feed back.

The embedded markers appear in the embedded .VEG file while in Vegas 6 but don't seem to make it into the rendered MPEG file (or DVDA3 doesn't see them when it imports the MPEG).

What a pain, I hope this gets fixed soon.

jetdv wrote on 6/4/2005, 5:52 AM

Tharris, there's nothing to "fix". Here's you another way to duplicate your "problem".

1) add a clip to the timeline
2) add markers
3) Render "including markers"
4) add that rendered clip to the timeline and you'll see the exact same results.

Markers embedded in clips (or projects) won't be included in the next render UNLESS you add them to the current timeline. That's not to say that an option to included embedded markers might be useful but that's not how it currently works.

tharris wrote on 6/4/2005, 7:45 AM

Thanks for the clairification jetdv. To me, it looks like a bug - where is it documented that embedded .VEG projects with markers has this result?

It is one thing to render an MPEG with embedded markers and then import that MPEG on the Vegas timeline but seems really illogical to embed an unrendered .VEG file on the timeline, which has markers defined, go through the render process and end up with no markers in the resulting MPEG.

To me, a .VEG file is "different" and the render process "should" be just like rendering projects separately which do end up with embedded markers in the resulting MPEG file.

It would seem to diminish the value of embedded .VEG projects; I don't get the expected results.