Editing an 11 camera shoot

PeterWright wrote on 12/9/2015, 8:33 PM

For a recent dance concert, I indulged myself a bit and used every HD cam I have:

Sony EX1, Z1, A1, AS15, AS30, AS100, MV1

Zoom Q3HD

Plus three 4k cameras:

Sony x70 and two X1000V s

I didn’t expect much of a playback rate, especially with three 4k cams, and sure enough, even at Draft Auto quality, the Multicam screen gave me a jerky 1 fps.

So it was obviously going to be impossible to edit that way, but credit to Vegas for having more than one way of working – after creating the Multicamera Track, I stayed with the single camera view, and did the whole two hour show using S for Split and T for toggling through the 11 takes.

After a while I didn’t miss seeing all the cameras together - I got used to the order in which I could toggle through (including Shift T to toggle backwards), and throughout the editing process I had full frame playback at Best/Full.

Surprisingly, working this way was almost as fast as the usual way of editing.

Comments

musicvid10 wrote on 12/9/2015, 9:34 PM

"I stayed with the single camera view, and did the whole two hour show using S for Split and T for toggling through the 11 takes."

That's assuming one has enough working memory -- inside the skull, that is.

PeterWright wrote on 12/9/2015, 11:57 PM

> "That's assuming one has enough working memory -- inside the skull, that is."

Ouch - straight to my weak spot!

rs170a wrote on 12/10/2015, 10:02 AM

I didn’t expect much of a playback rate, especially with three 4k cams, and sure enough, even at Draft Auto quality, the Multicam screen gave me a jerky 1 fps.

If there was ever a time for using proxy files, this is one of them!!
It would take a while to convert all your footage but editing would be MUCH easier with something like DV-AVI files.

Mike

VideoFreq wrote on 12/13/2015, 7:30 PM

Proxy or not, while this is one of Vegas' strong points it also one of it's weakest. With eleven cams you might have color corrected them all fairly easily, then combined the tracks for Multi-Cam editing, but when one does that, Vegas strips off all of the FX applied to the clips, including Color Correcting.

I did a concert recently with four cams and it took a long time to color correct 1,100 clips. There were work arounds I figured out - but goodness gracious what a weakness. Maybe one day Sony addresses this in "14".

altarvic wrote on 12/14/2015, 5:40 AM

Apply color correction as Media FX and no problem.

OldSmoke wrote on 12/14/2015, 7:07 AM

[I]Apply color correction as Media FX and no problem.[/I]

++1

This is actually Vegas biggest plus. You can first apply your basic correction to all the camera material on a the Media FX level and still have minor correction done on the event level after you are done cutting in the multicam track. That includes stabilizing a just a cut section with Mercalli 4.

VideoFreq wrote on 12/14/2015, 8:44 AM

Are you guys saying that if you apply color correction to the individual clips as a Media FX that Vegas doesn't strip it clean after converting to a single Multi-cam track?

OldSmoke wrote on 12/14/2015, 8:55 AM

[I]Are you guys saying that if you apply color correction to the individual clips as a Media FX that Vegas doesn't strip it clean after converting to a single Multi-cam track?[/I]

Yes that is correct and that is the way I am working since more then 5 years. But, I had to learn that the hard way too the first time I did a multicam edit.

rs170a wrote on 12/14/2015, 8:56 AM

Apply CC or any other FX to the event (what Vegas calls a clip) while it's in the Project Media folder and Vegas leaves it alone.

Mike

VideoFreq wrote on 12/14/2015, 10:05 AM

Wow, I should've read the manual closer. Thanks!