Effects and Title Animation

Cunhambebe wrote on 2/28/2004, 10:49 PM
I've noticed that when you use Boris Red or even Vegas to create some effects, as soon as you render the created files as MPEG2 or even AVI, if the the duration is short (for instance, 4 seconds); the movement seem blured when you watch them using the pc. As soon as you fix the time for a longer duration, for instance 8, 10 sec.) the effects look better. It's true that I have not tried whatching them on a tv monitor yet, not even tried to burn a DVD. Well, my question is simple: WOULD THAT BE BETTER TO RENDER THESE TITLE ANIMATIONS AND EFFECTS FIRST TO A DV TAPE (capturing the whole thing with a cam) AND LATER CAPTURE THE WHOLE THING ONCE AGAIN TO THE TIMELINE AND FINALLY RENDER IT TO MPEG2 OR AVI? AM I RIGHT OR TOTALLY MISTAKEN?

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Cheesehole wrote on 2/28/2004, 11:19 PM
Exactly what problem are you trying to solve? When I render short effects for title sequences I usually just go to DV and then drop the new AVI on my working timeline. Rendering to uncompressed AVI takes a lot more space, but with titling and special effects it might make a noticeable difference compared to DV. Don't render anything to MPEG if you plan on recompressing it later - like when you render your final movie.
Cunhambebe wrote on 3/1/2004, 11:10 AM
Thanks for taking time to reply.
I render as AVI not as DV. When I re-render the whole thing later as MPEG2, some, I said, some effects seem a bit blured.
Thanks a lot.
Cheesehole wrote on 3/1/2004, 3:49 PM
>I render as AVI not as DV.

But what codec are you using? DV is a codec. AVI is a file format. When you render to to an AVI file you can choose DV as your codec. Maybe you are using a lossy codec and that's why your effects are blurry. Try DV or Uncompressed.

Also make sure your frame rate and frame size (720x480 for DVD) matches your destination format. Maybe Vegas is blurring the frames in the final render because of a framerate or frame size mismatch.

Also make sure your field order matches your final destination field order (Progressive or Lower field first). A mismatch there might cause some blurring.

- Ben
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/1/2004, 4:32 PM
I don’t have Boris Red (can’t afford it) but is it possible that it has a motion blur option that is turned on by default. I use Cinema 4D CE6 to make special effects and it has a motion blur option that you can turn on and off when you render. Certain things look better with it, and certain things look better without it. Perhaps Boris has something similar? I also find that when I use Hollywood FX (which are usually very complicated) I have to make them last longer just so that the FX doesn’t seem rushed. So it makes sense that a complicated FX will look better if you leave it on the screen longer.

~jr
philpw99 wrote on 3/1/2004, 9:56 PM
vegas have motion blur in the "video bus track", you can see that track by click on "view->video bus track", then right click the video bus and choose "insert/remove envelope ->motion blur almount"

there you can change how the motion blur change over the time, more or less or zero.

however the motion blur can only apply to the whole video tracks, not individual video tracks. so if you want to create blurry backgroup with crispy forground, you have to render the backgroup first as an avi then put it back to the timeline
Cunhambebe wrote on 3/5/2004, 4:52 AM
Thanks to all who took time to respond. Don´t know yet all this stuff about NTSC, NTSC DV, 24 fps, 29fps, movie oooooooppsss.....what a megamadness....I red all the help available on this topic and I´d like to say that I simply render my projects as NTSC DV = AVI or MPEG2, not as "print to DV tape" (according to the help file, this way, "print to dv", would make more space when one burns a DVD. In fact, trying to make visual effects with Boris is difficult, but very compelling since the results are very good - but still somehow, limited (comparing with 3dsmax). That doesn´t matter. Boris is such a terrific software. On the other hand, there´s this problem (with Boris or even Vegas): the shorter the videoclip is, the more blured the whole thing is. I guess it´s a matter of configuring the NTSC " thing" loll. On the other hand, rendering as I usually do and configuring 10 minutes in the timeline seems to be a good idea in order to fix this. Sorry not to be able to send you all the effects here (I´ll try to upload them later on Chris´ homepage). Thanks to you all, really. Vegas is a fantastic software as Boris and I´m really having a good time around here.