Event grouping in Vegas 4

Ben wrote on 1/28/2003, 6:17 PM

This seems to act in exactly the same way as in VV3 - that is, strangely, in my opinion. When I group events and move them around the timeline, I want them to stay in the formation they were initally in as I move them across tracks. As it is, although the events stay grouped in time, they do not remain in their relative track positions. (If you're not following me, try grouping a load of events in Vegas across tracks and dragging them around). Now, maybe I'm being dense, but I really don't understand the logic to the way Vegas handles grouping; it's totally different to grouping in any other DAW I've used.

Here's the key to this. I hated this behaviour in VV3, and on this board Peter Haller advised me that Vegas could exhibit the 'normal' grouping behaviour I'm used to. This was via the internal settings, setting 'event group selection' to 'true'. So, I was happy. On downloading the V4 beta, this was the first thing I changed, but to my surprise it seemed to have no effect - grouping behaviour is exactly as before.

As I said, I'm not a fan of this and is there <any> chance that in the final Vegas 4 you can either put in a standard option for selecting how grouping behaves, or make the hidden internal option work, as in VV3?

Thanks
Ben

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Geoff_Wood wrote on 1/28/2003, 6:55 PM

Yep, you're bveing dense.

Select one event and drag it around, and the others will stay put. Select all the events you want to move ( <CTRL> - Click ) and they will move around in concert, retaining their spacing etc.

geoff

CDM wrote on 1/29/2003, 12:18 PM

I'm confused:
Unless you have Ignore Event Groupng turned on, if you click an event that is part of a group, regardless of how many tracks it spans across, all other grouped events will move with it and relative to it. Grouping has always been this way. What are you seeing?

Geoff_Wood wrote on 1/29/2003, 3:08 PM

My grouping is 'manual'.

geoff

Ben wrote on 1/29/2003, 4:07 PM

Ok, now <I'm> confused! I haven't got Vegas 4 in front of me now so can't tell you exactly what I'm seeing, but my post was based my on initial impressions (I haven't had time to play with it that much). For an idea of what I'm talking about, see:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=87593

Ben

Ben wrote on 2/3/2003, 12:06 PM

Right. To me at least, the grouping is very weird and it's even more annoying that I can't get Vegas 4 to behave like VV3 in this regard by tweaking 'internal'.

Do this:

- put an event into a track
- split that event
- select the events and group them by pressing G
- grab the left-hand event and move it down a track.

Now, according to the way I understand grouping, both events should move <together> to the same track. The same should happen with whatever you've grouped, and wherever you move them, across tracks and in time. There's no point grouping something if to move them you have to CTRL-click the events you want to move. The idea is that you click one of the events and they all move at once.

As I said, I got VV3 to behave like this by tweaking the internal settings, but this doesn't seem to work in the V4 beta.

Help?!?

Thanks
Ben

ibliss wrote on 2/3/2003, 12:48 PM

Ben,

I don't know if you've used this shortcut before, but if you select one event from a group (single click) and then press Shift+G all the event in the group are highlighted.

Ben wrote on 2/3/2003, 1:42 PM

Thanks ibliss - that helps...a little! But I still don't understand the thinking behind this.

Speed is essential and I just want to group and forget; once the events are grouped I don't see why we have to use additional shortcuts to drag them. Kind of defeats the point.

Ben