External monitor / TV

lba1214 wrote on 5/14/2004, 8:45 AM

Can someone explain exactly what I need to use an external monitor or television with Vegas. I have a new dell with (2) 250 gb drives) , 2 gb ram, 9600xt graphics card, firewire ports, usb's ... pretty much everything. Do I need another video card? If so, any recomendations? I've been editing a digital feature (shot using DVX100 at 24p). Everything looks great on my flatscreen monitor but the color is different on my tv when I cut a DVD. I would prefer to view externally when editing so as to minimize re-work. I have Veas 5 / DVDA 2.0

Thanks,
lba1214

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Spot|DSE wrote on 5/14/2004, 8:49 AM

You need a camera or converter to externally view, and you'll use your 1394 card to do this. The computer's video card/graphics card has no bearing on external preview (yet)
You'll plug the 1394 card into the converter or camera being used as a converter, then plug the converter/camera into your monitor.
That's it...

lba1214 wrote on 5/14/2004, 8:59 AM

Thanks for the quick response. Can you recommend a converter?

briggs wrote on 5/14/2004, 10:19 AM

I just use my camera, but many people use the Canopus
ADVC-100. You'll see lots of posts if you do a search on it here.

lcrf wrote on 5/14/2004, 3:57 PM

I´m using PINNACLE MOVIEBOX DV.
It´s works fine.
Ahhh, it´s have a beautiful design.

Libertywithout wrote on 5/17/2004, 5:21 AM

What about the Matrox Parhelia triple head video card?

I'm building my first computer with a friend and also wondered about the need for a TV (third-head) output. The video card is still my open question,figuring I'll go triple head, rather dual head, to be safe, rather than a All-In-Wonder card. Figure to add a TV tuner separately.

lba1214 wrote on 5/17/2004, 5:27 AM

Bought the Canopus converter and it works fine except that if I shut it off then it seems to be a little "quirky" as far as recognition as an external device by Vegas. Is there a sequence to avaoid this? Turn on converter and then start Vegas?

laffTrax wrote on 5/17/2004, 10:24 AM

I simply connected my mindDV camcorder via firewire to the computer and clicked the external monitor button in Vegas and it worked, but there's only ONE LARGE PROBLEM..

When I shrink or get rid of the video preview box in Vegas (that's the whole POINT of external monitor, right? to have more room for other windows in the program...right?) well, if i close the box, i loose my external picture. If i just shrink it a lot to make more room for my timeline - the quality on my external monitor gets TERRIBLE resolution.

What's the solution here?

ro_max wrote on 5/17/2004, 10:45 AM

I think the point of using external preview on a TV via firewire and a converter/cam is to show what color reproduction, etc. on a TV as opposed to a computer monitor looks like. While I do not use the external preivew (yet), I do use two 19" TFTs for editing giving me enough space for the timeline, sound mixer and full resolution (internal) preview.

briggs wrote on 5/17/2004, 10:45 AM

I think the F11 function key will give you more real estate for viewing tracks, and I wouldn't think you'd lose your external preview doing that. Make sure your preview is set to full (not auto) if you want better resolution.

oglo wrote on 5/18/2004, 7:16 PM

I have been evaluating Vegas 5.0 and tried the following with good results.

I have used the Blackmagic "decklink" card connected to a Video monitor for colour appraisal. (the cards are unbelievably cheap for what you get - depending on what sort of monitor you have dictates which card you get).

I have 2 TFT screens and a Nvidea FX500 graphics card. I run extended desktop with all 3 screens - 2 x Graphics(TFT) and 1 x video. (Any normal graphics monitor will do though)

I move the video preview window onto the decklink(extended desktop) window. I position the preview window as accurately as I can on the decklink window. It plays back nearly perfect (drops frames when using good or best mode - this is a factor of the PCI bus speed and CPU in my system I think).
What I see on my monitor is exactly what I get on my video.
I actually render my Vegas project using Quicktime and Blackmagics video encoder(it comes up as an option in vegas render options if you install the free Blackmagic codec), then output on to Digital (or SP)Betacam using Blackmagic's Video controller.

I saw Sony do so quick demos at NAB using this card, but they told me it still wasn't supported fully in Vegas - they are working on it. Once they get it working properly I believe it will act just like an external preview monitor (like the firewire currently does)

This card currently works fantastic in After Effects and the latest Premiere Pro. Premiere doesn't come close to the ease of use and versatility of vegas.

I'm waiting for Sony to add the Blackmagic decklink support before I buy the software.

FYI -
Cards info: http://www.blackmagic-design.com

Codec link: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/site/techsupport.htm

epirb wrote on 5/18/2004, 7:26 PM

Lafftrax,
Have you tried changing the preview quality tab ie: best auto to best full?

soundvideo wrote on 9/14/2004, 8:02 PM

Hey interesting stuff. I have been doing local commercials with vegas 4 in nyc now for a while. We generally render a dvd and take it to a house for producing a beta sp master. I just found a beta sp deck for $1600 bucks. We want to start doing our own beta sp masters straight from vegas. I understood that sony will only support the sdi decklink card in the future but you seem to have outputted on a component decklink sp???? Is this correct. If so how well does vegas work with the decklink sp. I have been puuling my hair for the last day trying to find a professional component video capture/export card for my vegas workstation. I hate the fact that everything seems to be made for mac!!! Any other advice on this issue would be greatly appreciated. I jst want to make beta sp and digi beta masters for my clients.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/14/2004, 11:22 PM

@ What about the Matrox Parhelia triple head video card?

I have the P750, what is the tripple head card. It works fine for 3 RGB monitors, or two RGBs plus one external TV (via composite or svhs).

Unfortunately, Vegas is still one of the few NLEs that does not support overlay. Result: even if you configurate the driver for the external TV in the right way, it does not work out.

To my opinion that is a shame. I have tried that also with the old Adobe Premiere 6.5, and it works fine. I have tried that with the Ulead MSP 6.5 Pro, and it works partly. With the new Ulead MSP 7 Pro it works great. Ulead bundles the MSP7 with the Matrox card, to have a real time preview via overlay in a cheap way. Even better, with the MSP 7 you can use up to 4 PCs/Monitors with such a card, if you use in addition your camcorder with DV-in. It works even great witht he windows mediaplayer, but not with Vegas-4 nor
Vegas-5.
:-((

I love Vegas really. But SONY, is there a possibility that Vegas will support overlay in the next update????

mark30 wrote on 9/15/2004, 3:13 AM

What do you mean exactly by 'overlay'? I might be stupid, but I don't get it.

You mean you want to use the tv-out on your videocard for external monitoring?

I hope Vegas doesn't do THAT! That would be sad..

gr
mark

Spot|DSE wrote on 9/15/2004, 6:41 AM

Mark, the Parhelia is a little different kind of overlay. Always soft, no doubt. But it does use fewer resources as it uses the card's features to draw rather than taking Firewire. The Parhelia would be a good thing for Vegas, but overall not a good thing for other cards. Parhelia is definitely the exception.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/15/2004, 7:24 AM

Marc, the quality you get with the P750 by using the overlay is absolutely great, as far as I have seen it from Premiere or Ulead.

I strongly agree with SPOT that this would be worthwile to have that feature with Vegas.

More, the overlay function does not restrict the output via firewire - so, if you like that more, then use it. I would prefer to have both features.

mbelli wrote on 9/15/2004, 10:28 AM

>Hey interesting stuff. I have been doing local commercials with vegas 4 in nyc now for a while. >We generally render a dvd and take it to a house for producing a beta sp master. I just found a >beta sp deck for $1600 bucks.

Why not convert directly from your master DVCAM. Less compression.

Maybe you're talking about a data DVD and a raw DV NTSC file instead of DVD-video. Cause DVD-video adds extra compression.

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